How did the Pac/Jay Z beef get started?
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IllmaticDelta
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at this
nas brought it up in the XXL mag - when pressed on details about biggie asking him to do a pac diss song
he froze up, and said nah.... imma save that... maybe if i write a book some day (that interview was a decade & a half ago)
we dont believe u - u need more people
Dilla and his boy confirmed the story
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
facts
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
At that point, Jay has one of his few classics. Which was considered one many years later.
The only reason he was on Pac's radar was because of Chris Wallace.
Had it been Memphis Bleek, Bleek would have caught a diss.
Pac went after anyone he felt was aligned with Biggie.
H. Fatal had said that Jays name was removed cause Jay was neutral and I think the DP video was released before AEOM.
So I don't know why he changed his mind later on, perhaps it was cause Jay had a gold single, a gold album and was a bigger player in NY by the time 7DT was recorded.
**bingo**
as i said earlier in this thread he was the original/blueprint to lemme start some bullshyt beef shyt cause my new album bout to drop aka 50 cent
I believe so too, Pac was one of the first rappers that's on record talking about record sales and shyt like that as a measure of how nice you are.
Perhaps the greatest emcee but the revisionist shyt that has been done to his character is amazing.
Let the stans tell it and you would've thought that he was competing Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mandela, Brad Pitt and Genghis Khan at the same damn time. At the age of 24.
No he was a young dude who loved fame, money, and attention and looked up to drug dealers, European homo designers and shyt like that. That doesn't exclude that he had some wise thoughts, was a talented rapper, dancer and actor, he was complex. But Pac stans are legendary for a reason..
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BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
Or you're reaching.
He was mentioned because he was Biggie's Bleek.
Pac's sales eclipsed Jay's sales.
And the finacial climate back down was different. Pac was going crazy platinum and Jay took quite amount of time just to go gold in that landscape.
CoriGunz11
Rookie
Facts. But Bad Boy and co never responded because the numbers spoke for themselves. a lot of people was very envy of bad boy records at the time, including 2pac.
Jay went gold in 2-3 months, faster than people like Wu-tang. People are trying to act like he was Troy Ave now.
And Jay was not Big's Bleek. He was one of the realest street dudes Big knew, who had his own company and had Mercedes cars riding around all of NY with their sign on it. The same dudes Pac idolized (Henchman), Jay knew since he was running around in Brooklyn.
I don't know why he dissed him, the point is that he didn't diss him at first for the fact that he was neutral. Why would he change his mind when Jay-z blew up? That's the real question. And we're talking about NY now, Jay-z was big in NY. Nearly all those 500k sales came from the tri-state area, star rappers like Pac had their sales spread out over 50 states. And as we all know, Pac focused more on NY than his own state.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
True.
That's why Pac turnt it up.
But that doesn't include Hov. He may have spent some time as Big's hype man.
Thankfully, he didn't go Bad Boy, and Dame, Biggs, and Hov did their own thing.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
Jay was Big's Bleek. Bleek eventually had his own luxury vehicle as well.
So what you're saying is Jay was just local. At the time he was rolling with Jaz, Kane, then Big.
He was borrowing flows until the late 90's until he finally broke through with a Broadway play sample.
Up to then Pac, Big, and Nas were dominating the charts in 96 and 97.
Age wise, kids compared to Hov in the sense they got signed in their early years.
Then the whiteboy came through and crushed the buildings.
Nas moved like ⅓ of what Big and Pac moved. I wouldn't include him in the discussion. I would add Fugees and Bone Thugs though. Even Coolio moved more units, so you might wanna throw in Outkast, Warren G, Snoop, Dre and bunch of cats who moved more or at least the same amount.
Yes Jay was pretty local when he released his first indie album, I was a kid and even I remember that.
And no, he was not his Bleek, Cease was his Bleek. They were not on the same label, Jays buzz was not connected to Big and Jay was only buzzing in NY at the time. People outside of NY didn't even know that they were that good friends, only shows they did were in their borough at pretty small venues. Some very deep people in the midwest might've heard of him but they had to be deep hiphop heads. They became close friends and started tearing up clubs, Jay put him onto game and increased his street cred in NY. That's probably what Big loved with Jay, that he was a baller and connected. (It was obviously deeper but those could be two factors to why one of the biggest stars would be coming out at shytty venues to perform with an indie rapper, or constantly flex in clubs with them).
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Dilla and his boy confirmed the story
confirmed what ?
NOT what nas said & most definately NOT what that hating/lying azz nikka @StillNotSoft be posting
the dilla/frank story: is biggie & busta laid the track in studio & nas was suppose to be on it but never got on it
i swear nikkaz on here take bits & pieces of something and turn it into their own bullshyt ducktales