How do we stop school shootings without crossing the imaginary line that the pro 2nd amendment crowd has drawn?

[Arizax2]

Treat privileged white kids like (some) black inner city youth in the 90s. SCANNERS FOR EVERYBODY. ZERO TOLERANCE. No scan, no entry.

They will not be able to handle it . We had to get searched every morning in HS going through metal detectors. The folks in the suburbs wouldn't let it fly. That school board meetings will have protest nonstop. The will wip out arguments like "Your conditioning and subjecting our kids to feel like criminals". That's all it would take and it's a wrap. I understood there was a need in that in my school which was infested with gang bangers but the suburbs will take this as being a line too far.

 

[Cal Cutta]

This would work in a sane world,but we all know this shyt isn’t sane. You can’t stigmatize ignorance in America because so many here, especially cacs wear it as a badge of honor. Holding a mirror up to their craziness is like throwing gas on a fire, just makes them stronger
Ignorance america because

It’s about the right people hold up that hypothetical mirror. Wouldn’t be fast or easy, and would probably take generations. But it’s not impossible. Just play on groupthink toward positive change.

Criminals don't follow laws.

This has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Mowgli]

How do we stop school shootings without crossing the imaginary line that the pro 2nd amendment crowd has drawn?

Better security measures in schools.

More accountability for persons and parents that give access to firearms that result in school shootings.

That should resolve about 95 percent of potential tragedies.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Close the gaps in background checks like default proceeds and the boyfriend gap

Should be federal laws so that everywhere in the country has the same protocol and there's less confusion when having discussions

 

[Arizax2]

Somone

Imo, have the established insurance companies charge for gun insurance and make him insurance mandatory.

This is low-key one of the best ideas I've heard on this. Insurance companies won't take this lightly and will want to only insure responsible people. We don't have to pass laws requiring background checks because the insurance folks will be the one to mandate that in their own process for liability purposes. All other insurance companies will follow suite as well because no one going to want to payout. If you have a fukked up background and can't get insurance then your out of luck and you can't buy a weapon without showing proof of insurance to the gun store.

Also that loophole of buying guns at fleemarket goes out the window because they should require you to get insurance before you buy the gun you want not afterwards. This creates a national registry and someone wouldn't want to sell someone a gun without knowing there is a record that the new owner took ownership of it to prevent issues.

Another benefit to this idea is that it would limit the number of weapons a person owns because of the premiums. How many people can afford to insure 7 firearms like this shooter did.

On a side note, this will also open up alot more jobs in the insurance field.

Overall great idea if they can get the details right but unfortunately this will probably never happen...

 

[Robbie3000]

Anti 2AD people: Where is your family originally from and how long have you/they been in the US?
Why are you in the US?
Why do you think the US should change for you?

Take this type of of idiocy and multiple it by 100 for white people and it’s clear America would rather destruct before it lifts a finger to do anything about its dysfunction.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

We'd have to change America's mentality regarding guns and that won't happen without a tragedy of epic proportions.​

If Columbine and Sandy hook didn't do it, nothing will. America needs a reset button but the only way that is happening is if America takes the role of Germany in WWII and has to have the whole world beat the fukk out of us and straigthen us out or if a civil war happens and we go back to the drawing board with a brand new constitution written by a cross-section of psychologists, doctors, historians, and scientists.

America right now is the equivalent of an extremely drunk meth-head losing his shyt and babbling around with a knife in one hand and a gun in the other. He's slashing himself with the knife screaming "I'm calm! I'm fine! don't fukk with me!" while shooting his pistol randomly. We're a sick country that needs to be detoxed and rehabilitated. The question is whether we'll do it ourselves or whether we'll be forced to dry out and go to rehab.

 

[TL15]

Not a way to stop school shooters but one deterrent could be to have parents do voluntary patrols/security at school once/a few times a year.

Might be challenging but we had 3000 kids at my high school. If you did 30 extra adults a day just volunteering to watch the premises/check students etc. before they arrive, most parents would only have to do it twice per year.

I know that’s not a solution but it’s something

 

[Yzak]

How do we stop school shootings without crossing the imaginary line that the pro 2nd amendment crowd has drawn?

Try to dodge the bullets

 

[MrLogic]

Have court house level security at schools I guess.

 

[Lifejennings]

Look at that humongous explosion during the Trump era, and then it tapers right down as soon as he leaves office. Wow

 

[Payday23]

You literally have to negotiate though, that's my entire point. It's unlike enough of the right people will be elected.

You don't negotiate with terrorists and that is what the current GOP is

 

[b. woods]

Wow

"Bu, bu, but, it happens a lot in other countries, too! You just don't hear about it. "

"Then explain why it happens more here than it does in those other countries? "

"I don't care what happens in those other countries. "

 

[Piff Perkins]

Background checks and all that shyt will not work in many states, although I still support it. We're reaching a point where even if the best laws are passed, there are people on the ground (local politicians, police, sheriffs, etc) who will deliberately refuse to enforce them. Only way to do this is to go after gun manufacturers legally and via taxes. IE with the full power of the government.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Repeal this.

Secondly, the US govt can pass tax laws that target gun manufacturers and fukk them financially.

Thirdly, more severe felony charges for gun trafficking. Any gun show loophole or personal sale of a firearm should open you up to trafficking charges. The same way being caught with a speck of drugs could get you charged with distributing at one point in time.

Finally, I'd get rid of the ATF (Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms) and fold them into the FBI. The ATF budget constantly gets gutted by conservatives. If they want to play that game with the FBI go ahead, I doubt it works. More importantly I think an FBI focus would be more professional and allow them to target trafficking more effectively.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Obviously you can't completely stop it but why does it happen at such a high rate in the United States compared to other countries?

Because America is sick socially. The modern "school shooting" is a recent phenomenon, like the last 20 or so years. The availability of guns hasn't changed. ARs and other semiautomatic firearms were widely available, even during Clinton's AWB. It isn't "gun nuts" shooting up schools, it's disturbed young people who steal ones from parents (sandy hook), get them illegally (Columbine), or buy them expressly to carry out their murders (Virginia Tech).

American hyper-individualism is cancer. People are atomized. Faith is dead aand full ofhypocrites. Social media is driving people apart. Clout is more important than life itself. There are more and more latchkey kids due to the necessity of both parents working. Young parents move away from extended family support networks. American mainstream culture is all vanity and consumerism.

I homestly don't see how the genie can go back in the bottle.

Meanwhile, we can make it harder for the mentally ill to get weapons.
Universal background checks can help, but if the data isn't there, they're useless. Make reporting prohibited people a top priority. For example, Nikolas Cruz was known as a psycho, but the school directed him to rehabilatative learning programs instead of arresting or institutionalizing him.