HOW in the hell was Pac better than Nas at rapping?

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Now we're just being foolish. Nas comes up in EVERY single conversation in the history of hip hop after 1993 about who is the beset MC.

Lupe, no.

Pac, most of the time, i guess.

Yes, naS and Pac come up in that conversation... but NEITHER is remotely close to seeing Lupe technically (lyrically)...

how do you define lyricism?
what is lyrical to you?

The use of literary devices... the more exceptional use, the better
depending on the song, the more usage the sheer number can be used as flexing one's lyrical muscles... as long as they dont become so lyrically dense on EVERY song, just enough to let us know they got it...
 

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Pac's verses on "Who Do U Believe In" are infinitely better, lyrically

I see mothers in black cryin, brothers in packs dyin
Plus everybody's high, too doped up to ask why
Watchin our own downfall, witness the end
It's like we don't believe in God cause we livin in sin
I asked my homie on the block why he strapped, he laughed
Pointed his pistol as the cop car passed and blast
It's just another murder, nobody mourns no more
My tear drops gettin bigger but can't figure what I'm cryin for
Is it the miniature caskets, little babies
Victims of a stray, from drug dealers gone crazy
Maybe it's just the drugs, visions of how the block was
Crack came and it was strange how it rocked us
Perhaps the underlyin fact they hide explain genocide
It's when we ride on our own kind
What is it we all fear, reflections in the mirror
We can't escape fate, the end is gettin nearer


:leon:

Dont see how its even debatable
:what:

The lord is a G, he gotta be
Who's the God of suckers and snitches?
The economy
Lipstick from Marilyn Monroe
Blew a death kiss to Fidel Castro
He'd want me to spit this
Only the strong survive
Nas bear witness
The hypocrisy is all I can see
White cop acquitted for murder
Black cop cop a plea
That type of shyt make me stop and think
We in chronic need of a second look of the law books
And the whole race dichotomy
Too many rappers, athletes, and actors
But not enough nikkas in NASA
Who give you the latest dances, trends, and fashion?
But when it comes to residuals, they look past us
Woven into the fabric, they can't stand us
Even in white tee's, blue jeans, and red bandannas

Assassinations
Diplomatic relations
Killed indigenous people
Built a new nation
Involuntary labor
Took a knife split a woman naval
Took her premature baby
Let her man see you rape her
If I could travel to the 1700's
I'd push a wheelbarrow full of dynamite
Through your covenant
Love to sit in on the Senate
And tell the whole government
Y'all don't treat women fair
She read about herself in the bible
Believing she the reason sin is here
You played her, with an apron
Like, "Bring me my dinner, dear."
She the ****** here
Ain't we in the free world?
Death penalty in Texas kill young boys and girls
Barbarity, I'm in the double-R casualty
Bugging how I made it out the hood, dazzle me
How far we really from third world savagery
When the empire fall, imagine how crazy that'll be
 

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Tupac isn't better than nas at any aspect of rapping

Lyrics,delivery,story telling etc,etc.Tupac is the most overrated rapper ever and him dying made him a martyr that people dikkride/overrate
 

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Tupac isn't better than nas at any aspect of rapping

Lyrics,delivery,story telling etc,etc.Tupac is the most overrated rapper ever and him dying made him a martyr that people dikkride/overrate

Has Nas in his career sold as much as Pac did while he was still living?

Don't act like dude wasn't a big deal while he was still alive. Pac has timeless music that I'm certain gets more spins than anything in Nas's catalog. No Nas hate either just the facts.
 

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With Nas and Pac, I consider them both about even lyrically.

:comeon:

I slow dance with the Devil
Snow setting in the bezzle
Mo' sipping, phantom bumping Aaron Neville
Polo black scented, eyes squinted
Air Force One's, with my own patent in it
Fresher than a star, glowing up in the galaxy
Pagan holidays, are way far from my reality
Far through Evisu jeans, lethal green
Oliver peoples shades when I creep through Queens
With no AKs, I'm the ambassador
Robin Hood in the Aston Mart.
Lotta blood gonna splash in war
Task force homicide, federalies gonna arrest
But y'all ain't never seen nothing
Not a word not a hint, on the kid from the Project Bench
That went Sony-BMG, to that new conglomerate
Island Def Jam, guess how many dollars was spent
To get the best man, yall nikkaz ain't silencing shyt
Ya bench been wanna police the dikk
The big Benz, Imma model ya chick
Was that posing, cash froze her
Cats stroke her, once I smash it's over
Cold like ice, more chains than slaves
Dangerous ways, Poltergeist change the channel
Roll the dice, I bring change when I gamble
I could sell sand to a Arab, hot and my gun handle

The ill whip pusher, my spit wet ya
If you stand close to the woofer
Betcha get sprayed by my lecture
Any club with ladies or dimes, I'm a regular
Give it up smooth, I ain't beggin ya
Intelligent brainiac, brains maniac
Back of the Maybach, taste that, don't waste that
Eat with my elbows top of the table
Street etiquette with speech impediments
And s'til see presidents, no matter who paid
Cause you ain't take the last dollar made
Long as they keep printing it, there's chances of getting it
Money's my bytch, and we stay intimate
Ask about Nashwan, could ask about Jung
Ask about Bravehearts, and ask where I'm from
Q Boro, specifically The Bridge
Don't ask no more question, ya know what it is

Pac aint even close bruh he was basic as fukk
 

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The lord is a G, he gotta be
Who's the God of suckers and snitches?
The economy
Lipstick from Marilyn Monroe
Blew a death kiss to Fidel Castro
He'd want me to spit this
Only the strong survive
Nas bear witness
The hypocrisy is all I can see
White cop acquitted for murder
Black cop cop a plea
That type of shyt make me stop and think
We in chronic need of a second look of the law books
And the whole race dichotomy
Too many rappers, athletes, and actors
But not enough nikkas in NASA
Who give you the latest dances, trends, and fashion?
But when it comes to residuals, they look past us
Woven into the fabric, they can't stand us
Even in white tee's, blue jeans, and red bandannas

Assassinations
Diplomatic relations
Killed indigenous people
Built a new nation
Involuntary labor
Took a knife split a woman naval
Took her premature baby
Let her man see you rape her
If I could travel to the 1700's
I'd push a wheelbarrow full of dynamite
Through your covenant
Love to sit in on the Senate
And tell the whole government
Y'all don't treat women fair
She read about herself in the bible
Believing she the reason sin is here
You played her, with an apron
Like, "Bring me my dinner, dear."
She the ****** here
Ain't we in the free world?
Death penalty in Texas kill young boys and girls
Barbarity, I'm in the double-R casualty
Bugging how I made it out the hood, dazzle me
How far we really from third world savagery
When the empire fall, imagine how crazy that'll be

See, I dont see anything profound about these lyrics or the Pac lyrics I posted (minus a line or two in the Pac verse). THAT is the point... neither was that clever... both used a little imagery here and there...

But a nicca like Lupe writes circles around either one of those niccaz. Pac's redeeming factor is that somehow that nicca made music that niccaz simply relate to, we feel that shyt. I dont know of a real nicca that aint feelin Pac. only fake coward internet dudes like @god shamgod that would get boddied the instant he stepped out his front door.
 
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Really? This is lyricism? It was the only song on illmatic that wasnt terrible, I'll grant you that, but its a storytelling track, not a lyrical track... even then it aint better than hundreds of Pac tracks, lyrically

Pac's verses on "Who Do U Believe In" are infinitely better, lyrically

I see mothers in black cryin, brothers in packs dyin
Plus everybody's high, too doped up to ask why
Watchin our own downfall, witness the end
It's like we don't believe in God cause we livin in sin
I asked my homie on the block why he strapped, he laughed
Pointed his pistol as the cop car passed and blast
It's just another murder, nobody mourns no more
My tear drops gettin bigger but can't figure what I'm cryin for
Is it the miniature caskets, little babies
Victims of a stray, from drug dealers gone crazy
Maybe it's just the drugs, visions of how the block was
Crack came and it was strange how it rocked us
Perhaps the underlyin fact they hide explain genocide
It's when we ride on our own kind
What is it we all fear, reflections in the mirror
We can't escape fate, the end is gettin nearer


:leon:

Dont see how its even debatable
:wtf: How is this the only track on Illmatic that isn't terrible? Have you heard of NY State of Mind, Memory Lane, The World is Yours. You realize most hip hop heads, experts and historians view the album as GOAT, as a lyrical masterpiece and perhaps the most influential rap album of All-Time. It's okay if think Pac is better, Pac is one of the GOAT's but your hating and underrating Nas :rudy:. What do you think of this
[Nas]
Freedom or jail, clips inserted, a baby's bein born
Same time my man is murdered, the beginning and end
As far as rap go, it's only natural, I explain
My plateau, and also, what defines my name
First it was Nasty, but times have changed
Ask me now, I'm the artist, but hardcore, my science for pain
I spent time in the game, kept my mind on fame
Saw fiends shoot up, and do lines of cocaine
Saw my close friends shot, flatline am I sane?
That depends, carry Mac-10's to practice my aim
On rooftops, tape cd covers to trees
Line the barrel up with your weak picture then squeeze
Street scriptures for lost souls, in the crossroads
To the corner thugs hustlin for cars that cost dough
To the big dogs livin large, takin it light
Pushin big toys, gettin nice, enjoyin your life
is what you make it, suicide, few try to take it
Belt tied around they neck in jail cells naked
Heaven and hell, rap legend, presence is felt
And of course N - A - S are the letters that spell . . .

"Nas is like.." Earth Wind & Fire, rims and tires
Bulletproof glass, inside is the realest driver
Planets in orbit, line em up with the stars
Tarot cards, you can see the pharaoh Nas
"Nas is like.." Iron Mike, messiah type
Before the Christ, after the death
The last one left, let my cash invest in stock
Came a along way from blastin, techs on blocks
Went from Seiko to Rolex, ownin acres
From the projects with no chips, to large cake dough
Dimes, givin fellatio, siete zeros
Bet my nine spit for the pesos
But what's it all worth, can't take it when you under this Earth
Rich men died and tried, but none of it worked
They just rob your grave, I'd rather be alive and paid
Before my number's called, history's made
Some'll fall, but I rise, thug or die
Makin choices, that determine my future under the sky
To rob steal or kill, I'm wondering why
It's a dirty game, is any man worthy of fame?
Much to success to ya, even if you wish me the opposite
Sooner or later we'll all see who the prophet is
 

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Has Nas in his career sold as much as Pac did while he was still living?

Don't act like dude wasn't a big deal while he was still alive. Pac has timeless music that I'm certain gets more spins than anything in Nas's catalog. No Nas hate either just the facts.

Since when do records sales determine who's the better rapper?

If that's the case fifty,dmx,wayne,em and mc hammer are top 10.Pac sold like 64-67 million records after he died.Death benefitted his sales more than anything

Pacs music ain't timeless either a few songs are the bulk of it isn't cuz 2pacalypse now,strictly 4 my nikkaz,all eyez on me sound dated as fukk.Who gets more spins and sold more is irrelevant nas bodies tupac is any category of rap.Nas blazed every feature he was ever on and got classic verses can't say the same about tupac
 

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p*ssy and paper is poetry power and pistols
Plotting on murdering motherfukkers 'fore they get you
Pray to the heavens three-fifty-sevens to the sky
And I hope I'm forgiven for Thug Livin when I die
I wonder if heaven got a ghetto for Thug nikkas
A stress free life and a spot for drug dealers
Pissing while practicing how to pimp and be a playa
Overdose of a dikk, while drinking liquor when I lay her
Pistol whipping these simps, for being petrified and lame
Disrespecting the game, praying for punishment and pain
Going insane, never die, I live eternal, who shall I fear?
Don't shed a tear for me nikka I ain't happy here
I hope they bury me and send me to my rest
Headlines readin MURDERED TO DEATH, my last breath
Take a look picture a crook on his last stand
Motherfukkers don't understand, if I die tonight


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Since when do records sales determine who's the better rapper?

If that's the case fifty,dmx,wayne,em and mc hammer are top 10.Pac sold like 64-67 million records after he died.Death benefitted his sales more than anything

Pacs music ain't timeless either a few songs are the bulk of it isn't cuz 2pacalypse now,strictly 4 my nikkaz,all eyez on me sound dated as fukk.Who gets more spins and sold more is irrelevant nas bodies tupac is any category of rap.Nas blazed every feature he was ever on and got classic verses can't say the same about tupac

This nikka said all eyez on me sounds dated as fukk :heh: every Nas album sounds dated :heh:
 

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lyr·i·cist (lr-sst)
n.
A writer of song lyrics.

That is the definition of being a lyricist, and pac was a far better song writer than nas.

2Pac - Holler If Ya Hear Me - YouTube

i killed like 3 or 4 nikkas after hearing this song, first time i heard the world is yours i took a nap (literally)

:whoa: no need to post this twice

I see your pencil stabbing body count has gone up
 
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