How is Ready To Die better than Reasonable Doubt? Why is Big supposedly better overall?

[apache]

Rtd is not even the incarnation of biggie as a gateway artist most general fans know to connect to big.
Big was only the big thought of as big on only one record on rtd which was the last record recorded, on unbelievable.
Past that, jay is a technical revolution direction based rapper.
who had higher skilled contemporaries to styles morph off of and learn from.
That reads like a who's who of the greatest dark horse talent in the history of rap.
That includes names from big l, to geuchi suede to sauce money to jaz.
Big was a styles war era one syllable gangsta rapper.
who had to be given an incubation window to solidify his skill set that lasted from late 91, to the spring of 95.
While jay is a golden era sellout rapper.
who took much longer to solidify a skill set.
Which we see now was all from connection to styles morphing over higher skilled contemporaries.
So, people will take the high road out of this discussion.
to prop big out sentimentalism in an end of the day type situation of the discussion

Yet, skillwise for that time jayz had higher principle skilled people.
to styles moroh off of and that is also why the execution skillwise for that era. jay, was able to create a higher quality record from studying the jiggyness of bad boy.
Combined with being around higher skilled emcees. who were advanced technical marvel before and during the styles war era.
Jay being a styles morph and already with sellout pedigree allowed him to bite and infringe upon the direction and skill set of the rap game and his peers.

So, jayz got to study and being an older golden era failed act.
who sold out trying to chase the fresh prince model with jaz.
Shows his camp and direction would and could lean on biting.
or studying to styles morph his contemporaries and peers.


Art Barr

I get you breh, but when you compare victory with In my lifetime vol 1 I think Big had evolved another higher level style to what Jay tried to do with any of his singles.

 

[Art Barr]

Well for one, I'd argue that Jay was at least better lyrically than Big.

Lyrically, Biggie and Jay approach things quite differently. Biggie is a lot more straight-forward and simple. He uses a lot of internal rhymes and cinematic story-telling which to some makes his music easier to listen to. Jay uses those things too, but he also uses a lot of other literary devices such as wordplay, metaphors, and double entendres which some might not catch on first listen. That forces the listener to rewind and think about what Jay was saying more. What makes that great is that Jay can use things like double entendres and wordplay and not be needlessly complicated and overwhelm a listener. Basically, The genius of Big's lyrics are felt immediately, while Jay's takes more time to mature and be fully appreciated. I'd give the edge on lyrics to Jay for the reasons above, because to me, they have more depth and intricate detail to them.

We can't say that because it is obvious jay's skill set was never his actual skill set and jay piggybacked or styles morphed.
to achieve his prowess and pretty much fake place in commercial fabricated rap history.

Big will always be seen as the more genuine based and higher talent and commercially authenticated talent and emcee.
all because big never leaned on any skill set after pac before his delivery and ability to pocket flows went super saiyan levels in the time period. from one more chance the remix to total can't you see and then lad.


Art Barr

 

[Mowgli]

Rtd is not even the incarnation of biggie as a gateway artist most general fans know to connect to big.
Big was only the big thought of as big on only one record on rtd which was the last record recorded, on unbelievable.
Past that, jay is a technical revolution direction based rapper.
who had higher skilled contemporaries to styles morph off of and learn from.
That reads like a who's who of the greatest dark horse talent in the history of rap.
That includes names from big l, to geuchi suede to sauce money to jaz.
Big was a styles war era one syllable gangsta rapper.
who had to be given an incubation window to solidify his skill set that lasted from late 91, to the spring of 95.
While jay is a golden era sellout rapper.
who took much longer to solidify a skill set.
Which we see now was all from connection to styles morphing over higher skilled contemporaries.
So, people will take the high road out of this discussion.
to prop big out sentimentalism in an end of the day type situation of the discussion

Yet, skillwise for that time jayz had higher principle skilled people.
to styles moroh off of and that is also why the execution skillwise for that era. jay, was able to create a higher quality record from studying the jiggyness of bad boy.
Combined with being around higher skilled emcees. who were advanced technical marvel before and during the styles war era.
Jay being a styles morph and already with sellout pedigree allowed him to bite and infringe upon the direction and skill set of the rap game and his peers.

So, jayz got to study and being an older golden era failed act.
who sold out trying to chase the fresh prince model with jaz.
Shows his camp and direction would and could lean on biting.
or studying to styles morph his contemporaries and peers.


Art Barr

DAMMMMMMMMMMMM (kay slay)

 

[Art Barr]

I get you breh, but when you compare victory with In my lifetime vol 1 I think Big had evolved another higher level style to what Jay tried to do with any of his singles.

Victory was put together as like post humous work.
So it is more bells and whistle in the creation of that work.
So, trying to use it as an authentication point for big or jay won't really work well.
Big was a better emcee because he created a real authenticated non-biter based style from his own uppage in skills.
Big did not styles morph off his contemporaries and in the time period.
Big was not exactly social like jay had been in the history of rap to piggy back off of flows.
Plus, came across as more culturally mindful even with badboy connectivity.
While jay never actualized or ramped up his skill set on his own without style morphing off his contemporaries.
Plus has always been culturally disengenuine and any show of cultural solidarity was a phoney pr based work of subterfuge.



Art Barr

 

[zerozero]

Pusha T explained it better than I ever could.

"Some rappers just say a punchline, and it's like, "OK, we get it." But Big delved deep. He was a master painter with words. And his flow was just so effortless. I mean, I think I'm an awesome writer, but my bars still sound like bars. Big had all these intricacies, all these colors, all these witty things – and it didn't sound like a rap. It was a conversation."

That to me is why BIG is the GOAT.

"let me proceed, don't fill them clips too high, give the bullets room to breathe..."

 

[Ark]

And to say you made this thread two day hence to pay the legend respect

 

[apache]

Victory was put together as like post humous work.
So it is more bells and whistle in the creation of that work.
So, trying to use it as an authentication point for big or jay won't really work well.
Big was a better emcee because he created a real authenticated non-biter based style from his own uppage in skills.
Big did not styles morph off his contemporaries and in the time period.
Big was not exactly social like jay had been in the history of rap to piggy back off of flows.
Plus, came across as more culturally mindful even with badboy connectivity.
While jay never actualized or ramped up his skill set on his own without style morphing off his contemporaries.
Plus has always been culturally disengenuine and any show of cultural solidarity was a phoney pr based work of subterfuge.



Art Barr

You hit it right on the head breh, what do you think the commission album would have sounded like? including cam

 

[Pimp]

Compare a 1994 release to a 96 release breh. How was Jay Z rapping in 94? Like Das Efx.. compare life after death to volume 1 both dropped in 97

 

[King Kai]

It's a matter of taste. You even prefaced it by saying Jay is your favorite of all time. So of course you're going to have that opinion.

I will say that Jay doesn't get mentioned as much as he should when it comes to lyricism. You got your Ghostfaces and Big L's and your Nas's and Jay Elec's but Jay is one of the wittiest rappers of all time.

 

[Art Barr]

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You hit it right on the head breh, what do you think the commission album would have sounded like? including cam

Not sure because back then the jiggy direction could have compromised a high quality submission and release to drop the overall quality and perception of the work.
Plus, when it was slated to drop jayz was not the drawing jayz and that album could have been perceived as another ju ior mafia type product.
Except this time the principles of the group were higher skilled except for the female portion of the group.
Which of course was a hold over from the jm lil Kim recreation of draw idea with anothe person in place of Kim as a draw.
So, imo I think the release would have been hampered by to many commercial submissions and the female direction could have never been as striking like lil Kim.
All because Kim was a higher skilled voice over performer than the rest of junior mafia.
In the makeup of the commission that could have also been a detractor.
Yet, big and jay were very good at ramping female talent as actual high quality voice over vocals.
So, she could have actually done as well as Kim.
It is one of those releases we would have had to hear.
All because of the time period when it would have been made.
Plus commercial wise what was on the horizon.
Yet if big never died jiggy may have never became as crazy it was after big's death.

So, it would have to be a record we got to know for sure.
Given the complexions of the time.
Plus, possibly cam would have ramped earlier to the level he acquired on ph, a lot earlier being big's protege and being around big more.


Art Barr

 

[MalikReloaded]

I prefer Reasonable Doubt and think it was the better album but, you're not being objective. Coming of Age over Me & My bytch Me & My bytch is a classic hip hop song off the beat and the opening lines alone. And Dead Presidents over Warning is a huge debate. Warning is an ICONIC hip hop track and video.

 

[I love Latina women]

ready to die is better than reasonable doubt because it has better written songs and because biggie is a better mc than the jigga man

biggie had a better performance as an mc as far as his unique voice, his flow, and delivery than jay z ever has. that's why biggie is better than iceberg slim

simple as that

 

[Pifferry]

ready to die is better than reasonable doubt because it has better written songs and because biggie is a better mc than the jigga man

biggie had a better performance as an mc as far as his unique voice, his flow, and delivery than jay z ever has. that's why biggie is better than iceberg slim

simple as that

Meh.
Can I Live, Bring It On, Regrets, 22 twos etc etc are as well written as whatever their album equivalents are.
Jay's vocabulary was also far above Biggies and less repetitive.
Flow wise Biggie just has a more commanding voice.

 

[I love Latina women]

Meh.
Can I Live, Bring It On, Regrets, 22 twos etc etc are as well written as whatever their album equivalents are.
Jay's vocabulary was also far above Biggies and less repetitive.
Flow wise Biggie just has a more commanding voice.

naw, bruh. biggie better. don't be so gassed up by "big words". sometimes if there's a simpler way of gettin' your across point, then there's no need in makin' shyt more anymore complex than it needs too, then that would be stupid. biggie was direct with his rhymes but he was still witty with his shyt. puff helped smooth out those rough edges in biggie's style and it perfected biggie as an mc too

big was better than jigga has ever been

 

[Juggalo Fred]

reasonable doubt doesn't have any songs that come close to be being as dope as Suicidal Thoughts, Big Poppa, Gimmie The Loot, Unbelievable or Machine Gun Funk.


Notice how I let off one of the most over hyped singles, Juicy, off the list. Ready To Die still shyts over Reasonable Doubt.