How those Mcnabb years looking now Eagles Fans......

[Rapmastermind]

Elway lost 3 Super Bowls. Marino Lost his only Super Bowl. Steve Young Lost a lot of NFC title games. Manning was one and done how many times? Great QB's all have flaws on their playoff records. Sure they won titles but if you look at where Donovan is placed. He's with an Elite group of QB's that never won a Superbowl:

Fran Turkenton
Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Dan Marino

His numbers are undinable at this point. Drew Breeze did just pass him in regular season wins this year:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_wins_by_a_starting_quarterback_(NFL)
#13 All time Regular Season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_wins_by_a_starting_quarterback_(NFL)
#11 All Time Playoff Wins (Donovan Mcnabb has played in 16 Playoff games. Only Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Stauback, Brett Farve and John Montana have played in more so he's Top 10 All Time.)

 

[phillycavsfan]

You're aware that the "greats" have had BAD playoff games, right? I give him more of a pass cuz he has not had any receivers. Name me a good receiver he had not named TO.

Jackson, Maclin, Westbrook, Chad Lewis, and Jason Avant. If we're only talking blue chip talent then it's just Westbrook and Jackson.

Westbrook was a RB, but he was often used like a 3rd WR and set out wide. No team ran the screen better than the Eagles when Westbrook was there.

 

[filial_piety]

The biggest reason they were atrocious was cause Donovan was ripping them to shreds year in and year out. Donovan OWNED the NFC East during his era. He has huge winning records against all 3 teams and beat Dallas and The Giants in the Playoffs. Saying "Oh he won when the Division was weak". Look at the division now. We sending 9-7 teams to the playoffs. During Donovan's time, you had to be winning 11-12 Wins to win the NFC East. With Andy leaving, I hope Donovan Era will finally be put in it's proper historical context. Dude had an amazing career.

You're not going to force me into a position to denigrating McNabb, but to say he "OWNED" is isn't putting in it's proper perspective.

Between 1999-2006, the Giants only had 3 seasons with records above .500; Dallas had 3; the Redskins had 3 and the Eagles had 6.

During McNabb's NFC championship years, (with the exception of the Giants in 2000), their division rivals made the playoffs maybe ONCE each in those four years.

To put it in plain english, their competition sucked. But that doesn't take away from what he has accomplished and brought to the city--if you're old enough to remember, I don't recall anyone putting him down for that. His "history" is put in it's proper perspective. What eventually ruined his legacy is the fact that he had been dropped and traded several times before being barred from the league altogether. Ironically, like Iverson, the END of his career is the lasting impression that people have.

As a matter of fact, everyone supported him while he carried the team on his back in that era. Everyone critisized the administration for NOT given him any weapons to work with which eventually brought on TO. But as time went on...people were simply TIRED of his BS and his underacheiving in the post season after around 2006 or so. This is one of those times where numbers just do not tell the whole story. His play making decisions in crunch time situations are what brought criticism to his playing style and his eventual replacement.

Like Reid, he has accomplished a lot in Philly, but the bottomline is still the bottomline. You can recite statistics all day until the sun rises, but people in Philly are restless for a championship and I think it was pretty crystal clear that it was NOT going to happen with him there. Some of his rabid defenders just need to understand and accept that small factoid.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Jackson, Maclin, Westbrook, Chad Lewis, and Jason Avant. If we're only talking blue chip talent then it's just Westbrook and Jackson.

Westbrook was a RB, but he was often used like a 3rd WR and set out wide. No team ran the screen better than the Eagles when Westbrook was there.

Nobody saying Donovan didn't have talent around him, obviously he did. Football is a Team Sport. But the same Credit Manning and Brady get for leading their teams to playoff after playoff, Donovan should get the same credit. Look at every QB that has played a Playoff game since Donovan left. Garcia (1-1), Vick (0-1), the rest didn't make the playoffs.

Also everyone knows Andy was notorious for not running the ball to take the pressure of Donovan. Also the Eagles Wide Receivers were the biggest under achievers ever during Mcnabb's time. They gave him T.O. and they went to the Super Bowl. They gave him Desean and they went back to the NFC Title game. Mcnabb did a lot with less than people give him credit for.

 

[Ohene]

The good ol days

I truly believe that year we lost to the Cardinals was out year man. I can stomach the Pats loss but the Cards one was much worse to me. Especially because we murked them way before in the season in a turnaround game. That was some fukk shyt right there.

 

[Rapmastermind]

The good ol days

I truly believe that year we lost to the Cardinals was out year man. I can stomach the Pats loss but the Cards one was much worse to me. Especially because we murked them way before in the season in a turnaround game. That was some fukk shyt right there.

The Cards NFC Title game was a situation where the Defense just let us down. It was Jim Johnson last game and they let Warner tear them apart. Donovan actually played a great game and matched Warner stat for stat. I thought we were going to win that game. The Carolina and Tampa losses it just seem we ran into really hot teams.

We were winning 12-13 wins those years but they both were coming in on huge winning streaks. We Body Vick and Atlanta and barely lost the Super Bowl and we almost shocked the league when Donovan barely loss to the Greatest Show on Turf at this house in the NFC Title game. Donovan could of possible played the Patriots in all 3 of their 1st Super Bowls.

 

[JLova]

Jackson, Maclin, Westbrook, Chad Lewis, and Jason Avant. If we're only talking blue chip talent then it's just Westbrook and Jackson.

Westbrook was a RB, but he was often used like a 3rd WR and set out wide. No team ran the screen better than the Eagles when Westbrook was there.

Avant? C'mon man. Westbrook is a RB, Jackson and Maclin came towards the end of his career and Jackson is a one dimensional receiver.

Chad Lewis?

Dude had to play with Thrash, FedEx and Pinkston for most of his career.

 

[Ohene]

The Cards NFC Title game was a situation where the Defense just let us down. It was Jim Johnson last game and they let Warner tear them apart. Donovan actually played a great game and matched Warner stat for stat. I thought we were going to win that game. The Carolina and Tampa losses it just seem we ran into really hot teams.

We were winning 12-13 wins those years but they both were coming in on huge winning streaks. We Body Vick and Atlanta and barely lost the Super Bowl and we almost shocked the league when Donovan barely loss to the Greatest Show on Turf at this house in the NFC Title game. Donovan could of possible played the Patriots in all 3 of their 1st Super Bowls.

McNabb's TD pass to Desean Jackson. - YouTube

Anybody who thinks Donovan doesnt deserve the hall is an idiot. Plain and simple.

 

[Rapmastermind]

McNabb could of been Tom Brady of this era(SB Win Wise)if they just could of gave him Receivers. I still don't blame him for the SB lost even if they said he vomited because he shouldn't been throwing the ball over 50times in a close game.

Everyone loves to talk about Donovan throwing up and throwing Picks but the fact is there was no balance. Mcnabb put up Top 5 passing numbers in the Super Bowl all time cause like you said, Andy threw the ball to many times. He was obsessed with throwing the ball.

We never gave the running game the proper care which is why the Eagles would always get really far but fall short cause we never had a balance between running and pass. If Andy would cared more about the running game, Mcnabb wouldn't of gotten hurt the times he did and we would of won a ring. PASS, PASS, PASS, PASS doesn't get you anywhere. We had the defense, we had all the right parts but we lacked in Running game and WR, he just didn't want to address those areas.

 

[holidayinn21]

so the eagles didn't have a top 5 defense during that era also?

ya the reason mcflab been acting like a vindictive fakkit all season.

 

[Smokin Rider]

Dude was never embraced as their QB, should have been, McNabb was a beast in his prime.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Dude was never embraced as their QB, should have been, McNabb was a beast in his prime.

I wouldn't say he wasn't embraced, A lot of Eagles fans appreciate Donovan the problem is the loud mouths are the ones getting the radio and hating and they get a microphone and it gets magnified that all Eagles fans hated Donovan. Yes we were all disappointed in the 4 NFC Title losses and Super Bowl Loss but for the most part we cheer Donovan.

No QB has a perfect record but Donovan had us right there every year and almost had us there but for 3 points. The Pats did not blow the Eagles out, it was a close game all the way until the end in XXXIX. So again with Andy leaving hopefully now the Eagles can look back and appreciate Donovan. You know how much it sucks right now to be an Eagles fan and we ain't playing in January. That's not Donovan's Eagles, they lived in January not Sept-Dec.

 

[SAJ!!]

:jayhaha:

 

[Stone]

Furthermore, I don't understand how anyone can compare the NFC East that Mcnabb competed in veruses the one Vick and Kolb competed in.

During McNabb's best years 99-2006, the Giants, Redskins and Cowboys were atrocious. And that's not to minimize what he has accomplished, but it is what it is. He was in a pretty cushy situation for that era.

That's usually what happens when teams have those great runs.

Look at the AFC South and East over the past ten years, what contenders were in those divisions? What did any of those teams outside the Pats and Colts do in the playoffs?

The Jets had a couple of fluke runs to the title game but that's it.
Jags, Titans and Dolphins made the offs a couple of times too but were they really contenders? Texans didn't get good till around 09.

 

[Rapmastermind]

MCNABB = LOCK FOR PLAYOFFS, NFC TITLE GAMES


NO MCNABB LAST 3 YEARS = Nothing to watch in January.