Even still, we got offered a 2nd round pick and conditional 3rd rounder for a 34 year old fringe Pro Bowl QB. That's a great deal.
How those Mcnabb years looking now Eagles Fans......
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Even still, we got offered a 2nd round pick and conditional 3rd rounder for a 34 year old fringe Pro Bowl QB. That's a great deal.
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Just the fact Mcnabb would not have turned the ball over at the Rate Vick has in the last 3 seasons is the biggest reason I feel the Eagles would of done better if they just kept him. Reid should of kept Mcnabb until he was fired. What was the point in getting rid of him only to do nothing for 3 years and get fired. Mcnabb should of retired an Eagle but I understand this is cutthroat business.
McNabb didn't throw INTs because he threw a lot of dirtballs. Our offense struggled to move the ball against good teams, and we'd stall in the red zone even moreso than we do now.
Why am I still arguing this? We got a good deal for him, and Vick did a great job replacing him in 2010. End of story.
As in leading the team to the same fate that they suffered a year prior?
A fate that was so horrible in 2009 that it lead to McNabb getting shipped out but so good in 2010 that it earned Vick a $100 mil contract. 
McNabb was a beast in the redzone and the Eagles were always good in the redzone when he was there.
As in leading the team to the same fate that they suffered a year prior?
McNabb was a beast in the redzone and the Eagles were always good in the redzone when he was there.
NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) on TeamRankings.com
25th in 2007, 25th in 2008, and 21st in 2009.
16th and 14th in 2010 and 2011 respectively.
I guess I was referencing his TD/INT ratio. If I remember correctly his TD/INT ratio in the redzone was something stupid. Eagles had issues with turning the ball over in the redzone the last couple years. How about 2000-2006?
I'll say this McNabb is the most disrespected very good/elite QB there ever was you got dudesfor Vick who is about to be become a footnote in history just off the strength of RG3 and what he is about to do. In fact McNabb right now would be better then a few teams starting QB's, Vikings included.
He had his shot last year.... Dude was throwing ground balls on hitch routes.... It was pretty horrible...
In McNabb's prime they were fantastic in the red zone. They were never lower than 12th before 2006.
McNabb's always had one of the lowest TD:INT ratios because he tends to throw the ball low for short routes. It was effective for preventing INTs, not just to make catches tough for DBs, but any deflection by a WR wouldn't end up in enemy hands. But as he got older, a lot more passes started to fall short, especially when he was rushed out of the pocket. In his last year in Philly, the Eagles were 23rd on 3rd down completion percentage, because of the dirtballs and the fact that he was scrambling less and less (understandably). In addition, with Westbrook playing less and less, they were going away from the screen pass, which was such a vital part of the Eagles offense during the Childress years. When McNabb got to DC the Skins were 29th in 3rd down conversions, while the Eagles with Vick were 14th.
The problem with McNabb was that as he got older none of his coaches did anything to account for that. No denying that he wasn't the most accurate guy and when he missed he did usually miss short, despite having a huge arm. Knowing this, why would you have him throwing it 35 times a game like he's Peyton Manning? You put Donovan on a team with a running game and some quality recievers and he could still be effective. A guy that carried an offense like he did for years deserved that opportunity. Instead he got shipped out for some unproven guy and never really found himself in a good situation after that. I am not blind to his shortcomings however I am not gonna ignore piss poor coaching and circumstances either. WASH and MIN offenses when McNabb was there were piss poor. Meanwhile Philly's offense was more stacked after he left then it ever was while he was there yet they fell off hard as fukk due to bad coaching, bad decisions, and turnovers. Two of those things don't happen with Donovan in there, even at an advanced age.
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nikkas just go to any lengths to shyt on this nikka. I've never heard the quality if a division used to diminish the winner. Especially if that teams makes noise in the playoffs. Most teams in this league are inconsistent from year to year. Generally the teams with best and most consistent QB is gonna dominate the division while the other teams will be up and down. How strong was the AFC south from year to year when Manning was dominating it? How strong has the AFC East been as Brady has ran shyt? The NFC East during that time was at the very least comparable so that's just a silly to even bring that up. Only difference between then and now is that the Eagles aren't running shyt.
It's funny how nikkas keep bringing up the last two years in WAS and MIN as if that has anything to do with Philly. Donovan knew that offense inside and out. His last year there he put up 22 and 10 and 3550 yds on 60% completions and they went 11-5. He goes to WAS with a new offense, no recievers, and no running game and throwing 40 times a game and that didn't work?I wonder why.
ed his ass and I really can't be mad at Donovan for shytting on him (If that's what he's doing. I haven't heard it but sure would like to
). He should have been spoke up.
nikkaz can speculate, hoot, holler, "what if" and make goofy smilies all day....in the grand scheme of things he did NOT win it all. The difference between McNabb, Brady and P. Manning is that they WON, weak division or not.
Peyton received TONS of criticism and doubt before he actually WON something and could call himself a champion. Prior to that he was a "statistics" and "records" guy which really mean nothing other than small personal victories. And It has nothing to do with being a "black QB"--if you don't win, you aren't respected and you aren't remembered. Bottomline. Don't believe it--go ask Jim kelly.
And from my recollection, EVERYONE in Philly supported McNabb for years and often critisized the front office for not putting the necessary weapons around him. The Eagles did not win with Mcnabb for a number of reasons; some of it was accredited to his lack of supportive staff, other parts of it were related to bad play calling, and the lack game adjustment on both ends by Reid, and others were due to poor decision making by Donovan in crunch time situations. I don't remember anyone really just dumping it ALL on his shoulders...just about every analyst,commentator and fan spread the blame where it belonged.
The OP is creating an issue that was never really there--the fact of the matter is, Donovan NEVER received all of the blame. Criticism? Absolutely, but no one blamed the entire team's problems on him.
Now I, myself was done with him around 2007. At that time he was still a quality QB, but whatever the Eagles were doing with him, just was not working for their system specifically in terms of putting the finishing touches on things.
If you're old enough to remember his playing style back then, he was a VERY different QB by comparison from 2000-2004 compared to 2006-2010. In his earliest NFC championship years, he was much more dominiant and unpredictable to defenses with his runand pass game.
After his injury though, IMO it became painfully and glaringly obvious that he just did not have "it" especially when Jeff Garcia stepped in 2006. In that one season, Garcia really just drew a sharp contrast in their leadership and play making ability and in the accuracy of his passing...heck if anyone remembers that season, Garcia would have taken them to the SB IF the defense hadn't of given up those last first downs to the Saints...where if McNabb had of finished that season, they wouldn't have even made the playoffs...anyway...
His LEGACY is there...no question about it, but it was time to move on. No one really expected the Eagles to repeat what they did in his earliest years, and it was painfully obvious that he was not going to close things out with SB. It is what it is...I was happy to see him go and give it a run somewhere else, but the Eagles needed new life and opportunities...He himself needs to get over it...it's only been about 3 years since he's been gone. If they win one SB in the next 10 years, he'll have to eat some of what he said. IMO...he is only hurting himself, pissing and moaning like Iverson...thinking he is owed something. The cat needs to sit down and accept that his era is OVER.
He needs to relax and allow people to absorb and reflect on the last 10 years with him. Heck, if you want to be REAL about it, nikkaz didn't respect Randall when he left either. It took another ANOTHER 10 years or so with a NEW lense to look back on it with fond memories and respect what he accomplished in those days, myself included.
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as a eagles fan id rather have mcnabb for the last 3 years
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Nah, by not shytting on him constantly and acting like y'all just BELONGED in those title chases.
Mcnabb caught nothing but shade from y'all his whole career....enjoy your years in the cellar
Nah, by not shytting on him constantly and acting like y'all just BELONGED in those title chases.
Mcnabb caught nothing but shade from y'all his whole career....enjoy your years in the cellar
Whatever man. McNabb got plenty of support here. Believe what you choose to believe with the little evidence you got.
That has set your team back 5+ years minimum.
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