I think imma enlist in the. Good idea?

[CopiousX]

If it doesn't work out then I'll just transfer to a University, would only take me 2 years. It'd be trash, but I'll have a good job lined up after graduation

Hey breh, have you considered switching the order of events? I think I’m following your logic and I don’t think it matters which way you do it.

Please correct me if I’m wrong here but effectively you are doing this equation: a + b = c.

• A = school (2yr commit)
• B= military(4yr commit) to pay off school
• C = successful career. After 6 years paying dues.
• a+b=c is similar to 2+4 =6.

Do you remember the commutative property from school? It states that a+b is equivalent to b+a in a addition equation because the end result doesn’t change. And I think we can abstract and apply this to your position. Why not just take the loans out( who gives a damn what it costs) and then commission as an officer? Have the gov pay for your loans while you are in the military getting experience, as an officer in construction field, from within the military. You should be able to add this clause to your contract. I’m familiar with the navy model, so @Deuterion and @Marc Spector can corrrect me here, but the USAF should have a construction community that’s equivalent to the Seabees( navy construction workers) . These officer gigs should also alleviate the lack of job mobility, getting bossed by children, and should pull you away from frontline work.


Any thoughts?

 

[Marc Spector]

Hey breh, have you considered switching the order of events? I think I’m following your logic and I don’t think it matters which way you do it.

Please correct me if I’m wrong here but effectively you are doing this equation: a + b = c.

• A = school (2yr commit)
• B= military(4yr commit) to pay off school
• C = successful career. After 6 years paying dues.
• a+b=c is similar to 2+4 =6.

Do you remember the commutative property from school? It states that a+b is equivalent to b+a in a addition equation because end result doesn’t change. And I think we can abstract and apply this to your position. Why not just take the loans out( who gives a damn what it costs) and then commission as an officer? Have the gov pay for your loans while you are in the military getting experience, as an officer in construction field, from within the military. You should be able to add this clause to your contract. I’m familiar with the navy model, so @Deuterion and @Marc Spector can corrrect me here, but the USAF should have a construction community that’s equivalent to the Seabees( navy construction workers) . These officer gigs should also alleviate the lack of job mobility, getting bossed by children, and should pull you away from frontline work.


Any thoughts?

The Air force has the 3E AFSC series that Civil Engineering/Construction jobs fall under:

• 3E0XX Electrical Systems
• 3E1XX Heating, Ventilation, AC, Refrigeration
• 3E2XX Pavement and Construction Equipment
• 3E3XX Structural
• 3E4XX Water and Fuel Systems Maintenance
• 3E5XX Engineering
• 3E6XX Operations Management
• 3E7XX Fire Protection
• 3E8XX Explosive Ordnance Disposal
• 3E9XX Emergency Management

As for a Expeditionary CE Unit, we have Red Horse and Prime Beef. But unless youre a Reserve/ANG unit, its not a permanent assignment.

 

[TheDarkskinnedDrake]

Do it, a few brehs have already dropped plenty of knowledge being 30 isn’t a problem as long as you’re not one of those “I don’t have to listen to younger people” dudes. Stack your money and get certs/skills

don’t bank on automatically getting a TS/SCI you need to be in a unit with a reason for you to have it

 

[Leao2005]

You sound like you gonna do whatever you want so it is what it is. But you might as well go in with a job that's going to benefit you and help you be on target. You take any job and semi-worst case you hate it, super worst case it's a menial job and they reclass you and you find yourself in a Joint Expeditionary Tasking backfilling an Army job in Iraq or some other place God knows where. I'm just trying to impart some game on you so you can maximize your time there and come out the best...the military is made to screw you over...it sucks every bit of life out of you and spits you out in the end. It's a pimp and hoe relationship and if you don't play it right, it'll play you.

People always like "well the chances of that are slim" but the reality is that IT IS A CHANCE and that should be enough to make anyone think long and hard. I know too many people who went in Air Force Services handing out gym towels on base and ended up having to do awful shyt in Iraq. People going in for college so they take an easy job and a year and a half later they on a gun truck protecting a supply convoy in a foreign country.

You really trying to help him too smh

 

[King]

Do it. The air force sweet to my boy went and enlisted for 6 years and fukk around and signed up for 25 cause of how sweet it is.. nikka was working for the pentagon, living overseas, and in different states..now he getting a big ass house built.

What did he do in the Air Force? Did he have any prior degrees?

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

You really trying to help him too smh

Y'all ain't reading the op. I specifically said I had an Associates Degree in the OP, why would I choose any job when I can do something I'm familiar with? I already know about nikkas who do 4 and 6 years and end up working at McDonald's or Walmart because they didn't choose something that transfer to the civilian world. That's the first thing people tell you, find something that transfers to the civilian world, I been knew about that. So I'm not about to join the military and be some shyt like a grunt coming out with no experience. BUT even if I did, I still have an Associates degree to fall back on.

If there's no openings then I'll just go to University.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Hey breh, have you considered switching the order of events? I think I’m following your logic and I don’t think it matters which way you do it.

Please correct me if I’m wrong here but effectively you are doing this equation: a + b = c.

• A = school (2yr commit)
• B= military(4yr commit) to pay off school
• C = successful career. After 6 years paying dues.
• a+b=c is similar to 2+4 =6.

Do you remember the commutative property from school? It states that a+b is equivalent to b+a in a addition equation because the end result doesn’t change. And I think we can abstract and apply this to your position. Why not just take the loans out( who gives a damn what it costs) and then commission as an officer? Have the gov pay for your loans while you are in the military getting experience, as an officer in construction field, from within the military. You should be able to add this clause to your contract. I’m familiar with the navy model, so @Deuterion and @Marc Spector can corrrect me here, but the USAF should have a construction community that’s equivalent to the Seabees( navy construction workers) . These officer gigs should also alleviate the lack of job mobility, getting bossed by children, and should pull you away from frontline work.


Any thoughts?

I thought about that too. Doing university and going in as an officer, but I admit impatient, not to mention those 2 years will probably be a struggle. I'd definitely have to find a part time job.

 

[Mr swag]

Give your life for white folks that hate your guts bruhs!

 

[xiceman191]

The military is like school, you ain't just gonna come out of it in a better position, if you go in the Air Force and do 4 years with an AFSC like Security Forces, you gonna get out in the same exact spot you in today. You need to go in with a plan, figure out what AFSC fits the goals you want to accomplish when you get out and make sure you go in with that AFSC on a guaranteed contract. Once you figure out that AFSC and how it maps to your overall life goal you need to pair it to your civilian options and see which plan helps you get where you want to in the most stable way possible. I do not recommend going into the military especially at the age of 30 until you do that analysis. The military is a young man's game...you gonna be bossed around by a 23 year old who been in the military for 5 years but aint ever paid a bill outside a phone bill...is that a muhfukka you really wanna be bossed around by?

30 year olds are Technical and Master Sergeants...you gonna go in as an Airman First Class and be the old nikka in boot camp, tech school, and when you go operational. I was in Signals Intelligence...1N4...think it through cuz once you in, YOU ARE IN!

EDIT: I was the old nikka in boot camp and I was 23!

Man look I joined when was straight out of high school and if I knew then what I knew now I would of done shyt so fukking different. I was too much in a hurry to get out the house so I took Security Forces and I fukking hated that shyt and was ready to get out. If I had patience I would of gotten a IT/Communications job like I had wanted and probably would of stayed in and gotten so much more experience. shyt I got damn near 15 years of experience in federal service but if it was military time instead I would damn near ready to retire and then I could've switched to civilian service with a military retirement. shyt I would be balling like my dad.

 

[Deuterion]

Man look I joined when was straight out of high school and if I knew then what I knew now I would of done shyt so fukking different. I was too much in a hurry to get out the house so I took Security Forces and I fukking hated that shyt and was ready to get out. If I had patience I would of gotten a IT/Communications job like I had wanted and probably would of stayed in and gotten so much more experience. shyt I got damn near 15 years of experience in federal service but if it was military time instead I would damn near ready to retire and then I could've switched to civilian service with a military retirement. shyt I would be balling like my dad.

Yup man, it happens all the time. Not only do you get out with “Cop” and “Security Guard” as the closet analogue in the civilian world but your quality of life as an Airman probably sucked balls. Don’t y’all do 10 hour shifts but then require on hour to arm and disarm so you end up working 12 hour shifts? That’s what I remember when I was in. In addition when ILO-JET was huge in I think 2008 (I forgot) they were pulling hard from SF. I remember multiple people going in open general and being pissed off when they got assigned SF. I had to watch over some people who tried to commit suicide before cuz Beast was juat part of boot camp but when they got SF it became what they felt to be their life for the next 4 - 6 years.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Yup man, it happens all the time. Not only do you get out with “Cop” and “Security Guard” as the closet analogue in the civilian world but your quality of life as an Airman probably sucked balls. Don’t y’all do 10 hour shifts but then require on hour to arm and disarm so you end up working 12 hour shifts? That’s what I remember when I was in. In addition when ILO-JET was huge in I think 2008 (I forgot) they were pulling hard from SF. I remember multiple people going in open general and being pissed off when they got assigned SF. I had to watch over some people who tried to commit suicide before cuz Beast was juat part of boot camp but when they got SF it became what they felt to be their life for the next 4 - 6 years.

Why would a college graduate in say Engineering/IT/Medicine/Construction choose those fields in the military?

 

[Pseudonym]

lemme know if you get station in SoCal or Ft Walton

 

[semicko82]

Why would a college graduate in say Engineering/IT/Medicine/Construction choose those fields in the military?

To get out of DEP quickly

 

[WaveWhisperer]

30 years old, I have an Associates Degree in Construction Management now.

Was gonna go to University to get my Bachelor's which would take 2 years, but I don't have the patience to be struggling for 2 years on student loans. Apartments look costly, I'd have to find a job n shyt. Then when I graduate I won't have any savings, have student loan debt, etc. And it's nice shyt I want like a motorcycle.

The military I figure I can come out with a Bachelor's, debt free, $75k savings, and enough work experience to get an $80k job

lemme tell ya something


Go head and sign up and try your best to get into a civil engineering squadron ,they prolly have you overseeing rno projects or learning autocad or some shyt

 

[Deuterion]

Why would a college graduate in say Engineering/IT/Medicine/Construction choose those fields in the military?

You showed why on this very thread…exhibit A:

I can technically take any job, it really wouldn't matter as long as I come out with my Bachelor's degree in Construction Management.

Here’s the mistake people like you make and I’m not gonna keep going back and forth with you cuz I already was in Air Force, already make six figures, I’m already where you wanna be and you arguing. But the mistake people like you make, is you go in “open” and then when you get to boot camp and talk to a job counselor they give you a list of jobs to choose from and guess what….NONE OF THE shyt YOU WANT IS THERE. So now they asking you to pick a job and your dream bases but you have no internet connection to research those jobs, nobody to ask about quality of life on the job because everyone around you is a trainee, and you got one week to decide your top 8 but it’s a highly stressful week with minimal downtime. Now there could be positive outcomes in the situation but I personally don’t like leaving things to chance in a system like military where you can’t technically quit

I remember a guy hated his job so much, he took off and went home. When his plane landed, it was held at the gate…no one could exit…suddenly two Air Force personnel came onboard to arrest him. I watched him get punished for 8 months with him getting stripes taken and given and taken back…and he had to pay for it on all ABUs. Finally they kicked him out.

Military ain’t a game…your employer owns you…they tell you where to be and when and you have to do it. If they say you can’t have a motorcycle then you can’t have one. They give you your food, your clothing, your shelter, and for all that you’re their bytch. If you gonna be there bytch, it’s better to be their bytch doing something that enriches you…be their computer bytch or construction bytch.