I told y'all muh'fukkas that Pop's being left behind.....

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Bruh just stop it. You wanted to sound intelligent when you made this thread but it didn't workout for you.

And how didn't work out for me? Because of one month that was an outlier (where role players shot 45% from behind the arc)? You do not know what regression toward the mean is, right? You do realize we're not even halfway into the season, right?

You're looking dumb trying to tell a Hall of Fame coach how to make his team more efficient.

I'm not trying to tell any coach what to do (never mind the fact this is hilarious considering this board criticizes coaches and players every single day, now suddenly Pop is above reproach). But I will give you ask you this: the Spurs are the only team who take more midrange/long-2s than 3s, does Pop have it right, and every other single coach in the league have it wrong?

 

[chowism]

Tonight was a good example.

We shot more efficiently than the Rockets but lost the game.

LMA and DeRozan both shot 50% from the floor and shot zero 3s. If they make 1 3pt shot, this is a 1 possession game and who knows what happens.

You can break this down any way you want but this is the type of game we can and should win most nights. It is only 1 game so you cant freak out. But it is indicative of the inherent limitations of our offensive strategy.

Spurs got killed on the glass tonight and shot worse from the free throw line are also factors. This is exactly what Pop was talking about when he said all people look at now is the 3 ball. You completely ignored that the Rockets had 58 rebounds compared to the Spurs 42 and that the Rockets shot better from the free throw line.

 

[malbaker86]

Spurs got killed on the glass tonight and shot worse from the free throw line are also factors. This is exactly what Pop was talking about when he said all people look at now is the 3 ball. You completely ignored that the Rockets had 58 rebounds compared to the Spurs 42 and that the Rockets shot better from the free throw line.

Bingo

 

[chowism]

And how didn't work out for me? Because of one month that was an outlier (where role players shot 45% from behind the arc)? You do not know what regression toward the mean is, right? You do realize we're not even halfway into the season, right?

I'm not trying to tell any coach what to do (never mind the fact this is hilarious considering this board criticizes coaches and players every single day, now suddenly Pop is above reproach). But I will give you ask you this: the Spurs are the only team who take more midrange/long-2s than 3s, does Pop have it right, and every other single coach in the league have it wrong?

You just said earlier tonight's game was an example of what you're talking about but you're an example of what Pop is talking about when he says all people look at is the 3 ball now. The Spurs got killed on the glass by almost 20 more rebounds and shot poor from the free throw like but like a casual you neglect those aspects of the game and think the 3 ball is the only reason they lost.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Spurs got killed on the glass tonight and shot worse from the free throw line are also factors. This is exactly what Pop was talking about when he said all people look at now is the 3 ball. You completely ignored that the Rockets had 58 rebounds compared to the Spurs 42 and that the Rockets shot better from the free throw line.

Bingo

There's no "bingo" about it (funny how you're saying this @malbaker86, yet you just used a win/loss stat that ignored all other factors, and attributed their losses simply to their 3-pt attempts, with no regards to context on how they actually lost those games).

Nobody is ignoring those "factors", but again, like I need to keep reiterating, because LMA's and DeRozan's activity shrunk the floor, by trading midrange/long-2s (they went 4-14 combined) with the Rockets' 3s, not only did it put them at a points-disadvantage because they couldn't keep pace with the Rockets offense, but it put their role players under more duress to eat into the deficit in the second half.

I'm pointing out an obvious flaw of their offense, that doesn't mean it was the ONLY reason why they lost.

@chowism I don't even know why you're commenting on the game when you didn't even watch it. You just ran to the box score and made up a story from the stats.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I don't know why muh'fukkas continue to comment on games they do not watch. It's bewildering.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

LMA and DeRozan - 4 out of 14 on midrange/long-2s and ZERO 3-pt attempts.

But according to TheColi that doesn't matter: the imbalance of those shots, the efficient-possession deficit, shrinking the floor, and going against basic basketball principles doesn't factor into them losing. Better go tell the other 29 teams that they're doing it wrong, and that they need to abandon the 3-pt shot and start shooting more long-2s.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is one of those games where you cant be swapping 3s for 2s .

You can't do it in any game.

 

[Jplaya2023]

If only pop had his healthy team the spurs would be fighting for a top 3-4 seed and this thread wouldn't of been made.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If only pop had his healthy team the spurs would be fighting for a top 3-4 seed and this thread wouldn't of been made.

Dejounte doesn't change the structure of their offense. If you're focussed on what seed they'd be, well you clearly don't get it.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Dejounte doesn't change the structure of their offense. If you're focussed on what seed they'd be, well you clearly don't get it.

the spurs are without their top 2 PGs and still have a chance to finish top 4 in the west. No other coach in the NBA could do what pop does. No one picked the spurs to win a title at full strength so they could jack up 50 3's a game and still lose in the playoffs.

LMA and Derozen and awful 3pt shooters so i don't know why you want them to take more 3s when it WILL NOT SPACE the floor more because defenses will still gladly sag off and give them those shots all game. quite frankly the way you want the spurs to play they don't have the personnel to do so.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I've already debunked everything you've said. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

 

[Jplaya2023]

I've already debunked everything you've said. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

What "grown" man negs someone that disagrees with them. You act like a female on the internet. smh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They've been shooting at a rate this month which is simply NOT sustainable (45% from 3 on 22 attempts per game - efforts most notably from their 2nd unit; 55% on two-point shots), and will only lead to a regression that they won't be able to pick up the slack of, because LMA and DeRozan don't take enough 3s to make up for it (or to be more specific, they take considerably more long-2s than 3s). Once the team's 3-pt shooting regulates to a normal level (they shot 38% from 3 on 24 attempts before this month), it'll give y'all a clearer picture of where their offense is at.

It's certainly not a good sign that this recent offensive spike is from the role players' production. Now, of course, some of this could be mitigated if they continue to play well on the defensive end, but their current offensive structure/approach will only succeed in the long run if they follow in line with the rest of the league.

Edit: They're also top-5 in contested shots made this month too, which makes their shooting that more of an outlier.

@Cycloneon

Another bad sign is: if you take away this recent 12-game stretch which again, was built on unsustainable scoring/shooting, they were ranked 24th in eFG% (and this is with them shooting 38% behind the arc - #4 in the league), a direct reflection of shooting more long-2s than 3s (if it wasn't for the second unit's efforts, SA would probably be last). If their 3-pt shooting % was to even drop near league-average on their current volume, y'all offense would fall off a cliff.

The Spurs are basically relying on role players to shoot at a high rate just to keep pace with the league.

 

[chowism]

There's no "bingo" about it (funny how you're saying this @malbaker86, yet you just used a win/loss stat that ignored all other factors, and attributed their losses simply to their 3-pt attempts, with no regards to context on how they actually lost those games).

Nobody is ignoring those "factors", but again, like I need to keep reiterating, because LMA's and DeRozan's activity shrunk the floor, by trading midrange/long-2s (they went 4-14 combined) with the Rockets' 3s, not only did it put them at a points-disadvantage because they couldn't keep pace with the Rockets offense, but it put their role players under more duress to eat into the deficit in the second half.

I'm pointing out an obvious flaw of their offense, that doesn't mean it was the ONLY reason why they lost.

@chowism I don't even know why you're commenting on the game when you didn't even watch it. You just ran to the box score and made up a story from the stats.

Basketball is about flow and taking what the defense gives you. A good coach makes adjustments on the fly and as you see some nights the Spurs take many 3's and some nights they don't. This is what a good coach does. He is flexible and adjust's to the current game. You only look at it from a view of analytics. The best shot is the open shot. You also seem to ignore that missed 3 point shots lead to more fast breaks. So the Spurs could have lost by way more also. You're trying to ignore the possible bad that shooting too many 3's can cause and only highlight the good. Just accept that you made a dumb thread that backfired on you bruh.