I was on the Panthers board and they all saying Bryce Young is a bust. I hate to say this but

[FTBS]

Anyone making these kinds of statements have never taken a look at some of the best QB's to ever play.

Payton was still throwing a shyt ton of picks 4 years into his career

Drew Brees looked like ass his first 3 years

Tom Brady didn't really become THAT Tom Brady that can carry a team until he got Moss and after the injury


Y'all gotta chill on the hot takes. Let these kids develop, shyt rarely just happens overnight.

Not gonna deny that guys need time to develop. But we gotta stop with the comparisons to a different era. You could still hit QBs and WR back then. A 2 to 1 career TD:INT ratio was a really big deal still. Its like comparing 3 pt % and/or attempts now to then. Its a different game. If you gotta go back 20+ years for comparisons that doesnt bode well.

Todays game allows for a smoother transition AND you get less time to prove yourself. fukked up because its obviously not all on him.

 

[FTBS]

rookie qbs for the most part usually struggle their first year

Mahomes sat his first season, brees sucked, manning had like 28 ints, alex smith had 1 td and 7 picks his first year, andrew luck had 23 tds adn 18 ints, jared goff had 5 tds and 7 ints, trevor lawrence had 12 tds and 17 picks

Appreciate the modern examples. Like those guys he will get chances. But didnt all those guys cone into their own after a coaching change? And those teams all had their 1st rder the next year too right?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Not gonna deny that guys need time to develop. But we gotta stop with the comparisons to a different era. You could still hit QBs and WR back then. A 2 to 1 career TD:INT ratio was a really big deal still. Its like comparing 3 pt % and/or attempts now to then. Its a different game. If you gotta go back 20+ years for comparisons that doesnt bode well.

Todays game allows for a smoother transition AND you get less time to prove yourself. fukked up because its obviously not all on him.

Ok then let’s just compare to this era

Lawrence was being called a bust after year one (turns out his coach was dogshyt)

Herbert was crowned as the next coming (this kid is constantly losing games he shouldn’t lose)

Tua was deemed a bust after two years (turns out his OC and coach were trash)

Jared Goff deemed a bust (might end up leading two different franchises to a SB appearance)

Carson wentz deemed the second coming (hasn’t even been a starting caliber qb since his injury)

Jalen hurts (I mean does anything really need to be said here considering what he is now????)

That’s 6 QBs from the most recent era and we can dig deeper into this. Making sweeping declarations about ANY nfl players in year 1 is fukking stupid

 

[Mindfield333]

He is he a bust? QB play can be leveled against the OCs as well as the receiver core. It’s too early. I know they give Black QBs a short leash but when you think about it someone like Cam overachieved bc he had athleticism. Yeah dude threw ints but he’s still a rookie

 

[Mindfield333]

Ok then let’s just compare to this era

Lawrence was being called a bust after year one (turns out his coach was dogshyt)

Herbert was crowned as the next coming (this kid is constantly losing games he shouldn’t lose)

Tua was deemed a bust after two years (turns out his OC and coach were trash)

Jared Goff deemed a bust (might end up leading two different franchises to a SB appearance)

Carson wentz deemed the second coming (hasn’t even been a starting caliber qb since his injury)

Jalen hurts (I mean does anything really need to be said here considering what he is now????)

That’s 5 QBs from the most recent era and we can dig deeper into this. Making sweeping declarations about ANY nfl players in year 1 is fukking stupid

Exactly. This isnt like the NBA where individual performances are weighed as heavy. You got OC and DC that are attribute to a QBs success or failure in the league

 

[desjardins]

The fact they invested 2 high 1st round picks into him is going buy him some time. That being said people bringing up old era QBs who sucked at first for comparison are reaching, the NFL is just different now. He got until his option decision needs to be made to figure it out or it's most likely for breh
The dude everyone claimed he was better than looking WAY better than him so far is going to haunt him though and have people evaluating him more harshly

 

[Stop_It_5]

Not giving up on Bryce yet, but I will say that Baby Body tag @Trojan 24 gave him is the most disrespectful thing I've seen on here

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

Yea, I think one-year is a bit too hasty to right someone off.

• Year 1? Show some flashes of great QB play (300+ yds, multi-TD games)
• Year 2? Show an ability to put the team on your shoulders (Comeback wins, etc.)
• Year 3? Be able to to do the first two things consistently.

As a Steeler fan, my QB is in his 2nd year and has yet to flash anything other than .

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Yea, I think one-year is a bit too hasty to right someone off.

• Year 1? Show some flashes of great QB play (300+ yds, multi-TD games)
• Year 2? Show an ability to put the team on your shoulders (Comeback wins, etc.)
• Year 3? Be able to to do the first two things consistently.

As a Steeler fan, my QB is in his 2nd year and has yet to flash anything other than .

Saw a stat that CJ has more TD"s this year than Pickett has for his entire career.... WITH THAT SAID

I'd like to see what Pickett looks like with a real OC. FO needs to put serious pressure on Tomlin this offseason to make a change. It was absurd he didn't make one last year when it was obvious Canada aint shyt as a playcaller.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Wasn't there a report that the Panthers owner made the call to draft Bryce when the coaching staff wanted CJ Stroud? If that's true, that's already not starting off on the right foot.

Reich wanted Stroud but it sounds like the owner overruled everyone. Reich put a happy face on it but he's known to like big strong QBs.

Panthers HC Frank Reich on Bryce Young ahead of C.J. Stroud matchup: 'We got the guy we wanted'

The winless Carolina Panthers face the Houston Texans on Sunday in a game in which top-picks Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud will face off. Carolina head coach Frank Reich on Wednesday said his team does not regret selecting Young over Stroud.

www.nfl.com

 

[Born2BKing]

Some of ya'll don't get it but you will soon enoguh.

 

[Apprentice]

Yes, I expect most rookies to struggle at the QB position. I mean it is the most difficult position in sports in my opinion. However, Bryce is going to be a bust because he simply doesn't have the "it" factor you would have seen by now. Sam Howell came in one game last year for the Redskins, and @Apprentice tell me you couldn't see then that he had it.

Unfortunately good brother, I was team Howell since 2019; so when we picked him up I was pretty hype especially as a 5th rounder. Anyone who watched that last season at UNC knew dude was a star, Cac QB was playing with one of the worst lines in the country and was looking like Josh Allen

Dude Bryce Young is nice, the truth is, it's somewhat of a Dwyane Haskins situation going on there with him. The Panthers are pretty dysfunctional, Frank wanted CJ but FO wanted Bryce, and the whole offense is ass. I don't think this is a fair situation to assess Bryce right now, this is very similar to Trevor Lawrence's first year in the league

 

[Born2BKing]

Unfortunately good brother, I was team Howell since 2019; so when we picked him up I was pretty hype especially as a 5th rounder. Anyone who watched that last season at UNC knew dude was a star, Cac QB was playing with one of the worst lines in the country and was looking like Josh Allen

Dude Bryce Young is nice, the truth is, it's somewhat of a Dwyane Haskins situation going on there with him. The Panthers are pretty dysfunctional, Frank wanted CJ but FO wanted Bryce, and the whole offense is ass. I don't think this is a fair situation to assess Bryce right now, this is very similar to Trevor Lawrence's first year in the league

Difference in I never doubted Trevor and whether he was gonna be a good NFL starter. Bryce just don't got it.

 

[Trojan 24]

Not giving up on Bryce yet, but I will say that Baby Body tag @Trojan 24 gave him is the most disrespectful thing I've seen on here

Tell me I'm lying though. I'm actually about the same size as Bryce, but I ain't running from 300lb lineman for work

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Its not wild at all, its reality.
Height doesn't make you a good QB or a bad qb, its ridiculous in this day and age knowing how irrlevant it is, people still try to make a big deal about it.
Can he see his passing lanes, can he read the defense and can he manipulate defenders, if your height doesn't stop you from doing this its irrelevant.

No one is saying height makes you a good QB, only that it ties into your ability to play QB.

Yes IF you can still do everything despite being shorter it's not a barrier, but you still have to overcome it. Which puts you behind taller QBs.

Bryce I believe is either the shortest or second shortest QB going into this year. Shorter than Brees. Not irrelevant, it is a legitimate strike against him.