"I was told by the label I wasn't FU*KABLE...guy listeners don't wanna FUKK ME"- NIVEA

[dora_da_destroyer]

That sounds nice but the numbers say otherwise and cannot be disputed

Also there are threads on here about Keri Hilson and what happened to her. Here is one:
whatever happened to Keri Hilson fine ass


I understand you may like Amerie better but with all due respect, fukk what you like. You got to take that out of the equation when talking about stars in a conversation like this. In reality Amerie had only one real hit, one! and a minor hit with Why Don't We Fall In Love that charted top 40 but it was popping on Bet at that time with her video. Keri Hilson had more of a run then Amerie ever did and that is fact and can be supported by numbers. You may argue Amerie was more impactful or talented but she was not a bigger star.

Post the numbers! Ameries first album didn’t sell well but why don’t we and talkin to me were big singles. Her highest charting songs are hers alone, Keri had peak lil Wayne, Kanye and Neyo on her highest tracks and was associated with Timbalamd and polo the don while amerie has no camp. Off bat Keri should have been a staple in the game, she wasn’t. And lol @ numbers being de facto, vanilla ice sold way more than AZ ever has and you’d be hard pressed to find black rap fans who care more about vanilla ice than AZ. Amerie also came out on her own in the midst of stiff competition from Ashanti, Alicia, a year where Aaliyah was still being moundned etc and by the time she dropped her second album she was getting sidelined by an ascending Beyoncé who snatched up her producer. Keri came out when r&b he way less competition and still didn’t pop off.



And you posted one thread which looks like it’s about Keris looks...here are just the few threads I found on Amerie, people discussing her music and career, not how fine she is or her ducking down siege ibaka as most Keri Hillson threads here go. I ain’t copying them all since I’m on my phone.


Amerie Appreciation Thread
Can someone please explaining to me how Amerie got black balled by beyonce
amerie - all that i have appreciation thread
Amerie - 1 Thing
Lets Talk About How Insane Ameries' Why Dont We Fall In Love Beat Is

You really don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re caping hard for Keri since she’s probably bigger in your life - like you was old enough to see her around - and you already admitted how hard you crushed on her. This isnt about what I like, this is about how fans related to amerie and her career from 02-05/06 vs. Keri Hilson having a successful 2009


Edit - Keri’s first album went gold, the second isnt certified, Amerie’s two albums are gold. So what numbers were speaking for themselves again?

 

[Will Ross]

I noticed that the popularity of a black female singer depends on how much white people like them if they don’t take the hood chick route.

 

[Kaypain]

Lil Wayne's baby mama and Dreams ex wife speaks ......

Time stamp 7:20



Jive records were idiots I always wanted to fukk her...still do

Product placement is ridiculous in that video

 

[Ya?]

I agree with everything except the hatred part.
BW support mixed women plenty. What they don’t support is mediocre light skinned talent at the expense of amazing darker skinned talent. This thing has gotten worse in this current industry because black women have less say in music today than they used to. That’s not hatred to me.

What! Sevyn is 32 DAMN! I looked it up and you're actually right and she been doing music since 2001. I didn't even know it was her in that rich girl group Okay, I'll take the L here brehette. She failed for the most part lmao.



As for Justine Skye, watch your mouth. She's from Brooklyn and is just one record away if you ask me. I can't speak for everyone's argument in here but I feel that if a woman is light skin, beautiful and getting major push without the talent to back it up then black women the major supporters of RnB music will not support them due to hatred of them and a feeling they got there for their color which is often the case (ie, Tinashe). Women usually support other woman they see as relatable or that they want to be due to talent or it factor as you said and as I agree with you on, however color does play a role too sometimes as well as looks. If you're ugly you have to be remarkable talent wise to win and in fact I can't even name an ugly female rnb star tbh, some people say Mary J but her years ago was okay to me, I don't see her as ugly. From what I seen if a woman is dark skin I feel it's harder for them to break through a lot of times and they have to have twice the amount of talent of a woman of lighter complexion due to the way we see color.

SZA is lighter then Sevyn Streeter and Justin Skye, google pictures of her and compare it to pics of them. SZA is also backed by interscope and TDE so that all has helped her a lot. There was a time she wanted to quit music, got frustrated and was bugging out. I didn't forget about that. There was a time where it seemed she would be stuck as a writer and was not going to blow up as well. She kept working at it and now she is a success but if you pay attention she had to lose weight to do it and some people say she is bleaching but I don't think so, who knows.


As for Keri Hilson, you say a couple singles but she was on a little run which is why I say she was running things during that small period. I remember how bad I wanted to smash at that time but I digress. My point is this, who knows how big she would have been if it wasn't for that Beyonce thing. I can't say she was generic, flavor of the month of had limited success, she had real success at that time for the two or so years she was buzzing. Flavor of the month to me is like a one hit wonder kind of deal.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

What's funny is that it's very common for male rappers to get told by their labels to get in the gym/ get a stylist so they can appeal to women.

If you really think about R&B women in the early mid 2000's.... she didn't really have a chance.

She wasn't an elite hot piece of ass like Christina Milian, didn't have crossover appeal like J Lo wasn't the total package like Beyonce, Couldn't Dance like Ciara, wasn't neo soul enough to hang with Jill Scott or Alicia Keys ( Dyke Version)

This.

Shorty came out at the wrong time. Plus in the interview, she said that even urban radio wasn't playing her songs, which is weird to me.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lmao breh, you're not understanding.

Forget Top 100 and I'm not speaking on the R and B or hiphop charts either. I'm speaking on the chart for airplay among hiphop and Rnb singles which is one of the components that make up chart placement on those charts you're speaking of. Basically what that means is when it comes to the airplay of her single(radio spins) when you compare it to the other hiphop and rnb singles out right now she has had the most radio spins for 15 weeks in a row which is not an easy thing, especially considering she originally released boo'd up a year ago in 2017 on her EP. For comparison, Hotline Bling is tied with her record right now having the most airplay for 15 weeks in a row too.

Mariah may have placed higher on some of her singles because more people bought the singles and other factors that go into chart placement, however Ella Mai has had more radio spins on her single among the competition right now. This is in comparison to Mariah when she released her hit singles among the competition back then. With that said it's no comparison, Mariah has more hits and bigger hits along with a legendary career but Ella has beat her when it comes to air play is all, and she is now only behind Miguel who had 23 weeks with Adorn. She is tied with Mary as the highest women on the chart.

...my point is that this is still only within the urban market, which by definition is lesser than the overall pop market. Any success comparisons between Mariah and Ella are

 

[Guvnor]

I agree with everything except the hatred part.
BW support mixed women plenty. What they don’t support is mediocre light skinned talent at the expense of amazing darker skinned talent. This thing has gotten worse in this current industry because black women have less say in music today than they used to. That’s not hatred to me.

Yeah, maybe hatred was the wrong word for it. I really meant that they dislike that and they are very vocal about it too as they should be, saying things like who is this person? or what song have they made when they see a singer pop up everywhere out of nowhere.

...my point is that this is still only within the urban market, which by definition is lesser than the overall pop market. Any success comparisons between Mariah and Ella are

There is no chart for pop music airplay and I don't think you get my point.

 

[Guvnor]

Post the numbers! Ameries first album didn’t sell well but why don’t we and talkin to me were big singles. Her highest charting songs are hers alone, Keri had peak lil Wayne, Kanye and Neyo on her highest tracks and was associated with Timbalamd and polo the don while amerie has no camp. Off bat Keri should have been a staple in the game, she wasn’t. And lol @ numbers being de facto, vanilla ice sold way more than AZ ever has and you’d be hard pressed to find black rap fans who care more about vanilla ice than AZ. Amerie also came out on her own in the midst of stiff competition from Ashanti, Alicia, a year where Aaliyah was still being moundned etc and by the time she dropped her second album she was getting sidelined by an ascending Beyoncé who snatched up her producer. Keri came out when r&b he way less competition and still didn’t pop off.

The numbers...

Amerie
Why Don't We - 23 on the US hot 100 chart

1 Thing - 8 on the US hot 100 chart/Platinum

That's literally two singles.

Keri Hillson
Knock You Down - 3 on the US hot 100 chart/2 x Platinum

The Way I Are(Timbaland's song she was featured on) - 3 on the US hot 100 chart/3 x platinum

Turning Me On - 15 on the US hot 100 chart/Platinum

The Ether...

How the hell do you bring up AZ in a convo about stars AZ has never been a star, maybe he should have been one but he never blew up and neither did the firm which was his shot to become a star. It's one thing if you brought up Nas but AZ is not a star and Vanilla Ice though he is a one hit wonder is more of a star then AZ ever was.

Sure AZ is a better rapper but Vanilla Ice generated a lot more money off his song when compared to any AZ single and popularity, you can't even look at a star as a black audience or white audience thing but someone who is able to transcend all that shyt. That's the difference between someone like Goapelle or Teedra Mosses and someone like Beyonce, Rihanna and Mariah. It's not about who you feel is better or more important to black audiences but its about who made the most money and had the most appeal.

Now to address the rest of what you said, in the industry no one does it alone and the stars often have help much like Beyonce and Rihana who have people who pretty much write all the hits for them. You can't use the fact that she had that much help around her against her because that is difference between someone who is star and makes it and someone who does not often times. No one really does it all alone in the industry who is a star 9 times out of 10 and those people saw the star potential with her so they worked with her. She had the budget to get who she wanted to work with and to have the team she did.

There was not way less competition because when Keri Hilson came out in 2009 rnb was booming and male dominated. Mario dropped Break Up,The Dream was booming and he crushed the buildings when he came out, Birthday Sex by Jeremiah dropped, Pretty Wings by Maxwell came out, Wetter came out by Twista and Ciara was doing her thing. I could go on and on but Rnb was very competitive when Keri dropped as well.

And you posted one thread which looks like it’s about Keris looks...here are just the few threads I found on Amerie, people discussing her music and career, not how fine she is or her ducking down siege ibaka as most Keri Hillson threads here go. I ain’t copying them all since I’m on my phone.


Amerie Appreciation Thread
Can someone please explaining to me how Amerie got black balled by beyonce
amerie - all that i have appreciation thread
Amerie - 1 Thing
Lets Talk About How Insane Ameries' Why Dont We Fall In Love Beat Is

You really don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re caping hard for Keri since she’s probably bigger in your life - like you was old enough to see her around - and you already admitted how hard you crushed on her. This isnt about what I like, this is about how fans related to amerie and her career from 02-05/06 vs. Keri Hilson having a successful 2009

I remember Amerie too, I'm young but not that young lol. I used to watch her video on 106 and park and all that shyt so kill that noise.

With that said there are more threads I can post about Kerri Hillson on here too.

Keri Hilson admits that the Beyonce beef ruined her career
Whose career has suffered more after dissing Beyoncé? Keri Hilson or Keyshia cole?
You know...Keri Hilson could have a lane right now...if she wanted it...
Keri Hilson Finally Got A Hit?

Amerie might have a more dedicated fanbase, and make better music, I won't argue on that with you. However Kerri was a bigger star is my argument here whether that be due to mostly her sex appeal or not.

Edit - Keri’s first album went gold, the second isnt certified, Amerie’s two albums are gold. So what numbers were speaking for themselves again?

Context is everything, after 2009 the industry had a big piracy problem or did you forget that? Prior to that point there are albums from people you never heard of or only heard one song from who went gold. It was very easy to go gold at the time Amerie did however Keri still was a bigger star then Amerie no question and the fact she had more hits and features prove that.

I believe it was the Beyonce situation that stopped her growth just like you argue Beyonce took Amerie's producers and that may have hurt Amerie.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

I noticed that the popularity of a black female singer depends on how much white people like them if they don’t take the hood chick route.

The overall popularity of any artist is dependent on how much white people like them.

 

[Robo Squirrel]

Look...no one likes ugly people.



Period.

It is what it is.

 

[N711oir]

U must be a cac like them

just gone say this for my REAL bro/sis. Y'all already know it's majority cacs on here lot of times they start that you ain't this that and third just to watch you all degrade each other and call names. Be cautious. I don't do race bait sh*t and don't tap dance or prove sh*t for nobody black white or whatever. And back on my comment she is allergic to attractiveness/

 

[cjlaw93]

just gone say this for my REAL bro/sis. Y'all already know it's majority cacs on here lot of times they start that you ain't this that and third just to watch you all degrade each other and call names. Be cautious. I don't do race bait sh*t and don't tap dance or prove sh*t for nobody black white or whatever. And back on my comment she is allergic to attractiveness/

Stfu fakkit

 

[CASHAPP]

I noticed that the popularity of a black female singer depends on how much white people like them if they don’t take the hood chick route.

This might be the dumbest post I have ever read on this website

Black people dont just exist in the hood. BLack people aren’t a monolithic. Both suburban and hood chicks fukk with SZA for example

Matter of fact it’s not possible for a Black female star to be popular without some form of urban support. That goes for black male artists, but it’s especially true for the women

Beyoncé and Rihanna have had pop eras but you can’t name me any black female singers who came out the gate with complete pop and white people liking them. Nicki had the white pop support in 2010 to 2012 but she still had a big black fan base from the mixtape beam me up Scottie days

A black female artist cannot be big without black support.

Bottom line. Nothing to do with pop.

This is why Tinashe isn’t popping... because black women don’t like her. Nothing to do with white people not liking an artist. Nicki losing support from Black women to Cardi B has done more damage to her than losing white people.

@dora_da_destroyer i don't know how your head doesn't explode talking to these fools

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yeah, maybe hatred was the wrong word for it. I really meant that they dislike that and they are very vocal about it too as they should be, saying things like who is this person? or what song have they made when they see a singer pop up everywhere out of nowhere.


There is no chart for pop music airplay and I don't think you get my point.

billboard top 100/top 40 is the list that most accurately measures/best representation of what the masses are listening to

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The overall popularity of any artist is dependent on how much white people like them.

this...especially if you want to be a platinum artist