If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[Antiquity]

also have to mention aaliyah was transitioning into movies, even the romeo must die soundtrack wet PLAT

And The Matrix

 

[lamontep49]

no

 

[Wacky D]

"Studio Puppet"

are you really posting those weak performances from "showtime at the Apollo"?

youre proving our point. she sounds horrible. but then again, most Aaliyah fanatics grew up on rihanna and other wack chit from the past decade.

I can tell youre not from the era and never actually watched the show on TV.

Destinys child were opening acts until like 2005. Before that they were opening acts for tlc, christina aguleira, etc.


And she's the youngest african american to perform at the oscars, that performance is legendary and remembered just for that reason alone.

theres a big difference between being the opening act for super-pop groups, as opposed to being at the bottom of the bill amongst your direct peers & rappers.

completely different types of shows.
and lol @ mentioning TLC, as if destinys child weren't basically rookies when TLC was together.

lol @ you trying to give her a participation trophy for that weak Oscar performance that nobody cared about.

The album was gold when she was alive. The album was only out for a MONTH with only one video out. Going off of that alone her album was doing ok.


In Beyonce's first month of release Ashanti was shytting on her sales wise... That next year Beyonce outsold her overall.

theres no context to your argument.

the stars were putting up monster numbers that year. and there were new artists coming out and blowing right past her like Alicia keys.

those numbers were a disappointment. her single was lukewarm, and her album wasnt buzzin, and the response to her record was poor.

so what if beyonce was getting outsold by ashanti? ASHANTI WAS HUGE.

Aaliyah was also more than a studio puppet. She had hit songs with writers and producers outside of Missy, Static, Tim and R. Kelly. Furthermore, you can't really call Asliyah a puppet without saying the same of Beyonce. She's also the product of great writers and producers.

The key differences between Beyonce's music and Aaliyah's is Aaliyah's music translates better on record where Beyonce's translates better on stage. Beyonce has the superior voice, but inferior music. A lot of the songs she picks don't work well with her vocals because she either over sings or picks songs that don't really showcase her abilities. That's where Aaliyah shined. Her songs worked in sync with her voice. Thats always going to win over someone with a great voice and mediocre songs.

as always, youre completely missing the point.

Aaliyah couldn't sing and she was considered a bad performer as well.

when youre in that boat, youre expected to bring something extra to the table. she didn't write or produce her music to make up for the fact that she wasnt particularly good at her main occupation.

i.e. - ashanti gets a pass for her short-comings because she wrote her own chit.

I think a part of Aaliyah `s legacy has been inflated, but man some of y'all nikkas going too far with the disrespect.

Aaliyah`s popularity was growing not declining.

Try again was the first song from an artist to top the charts just off airplay.

The girl was gonna be in the matrix film as well.

Timbo would've gave those songs that became hits for others to Aaliyah like it was originally supposed to be for.

the real disrespect is from these belated Aaliyah stans disrespecting the game by rewriting history. all gloves are off by that point. you should check them instead.

how was her popularity growing when her last album did poorly before she died?

i think youre confusing an artist getting placements & crossing over with genuine organic popularity. also, when artists start doing movies, they usually get to that point by the time that their prime had already ran its course. Aaliyah being a prime example. a disappointing album drops, before she even films her role in the matrix.

"try again" was a big hit but it clearly didn't carry over into her album the following summer. and that's probably because that song was str8 kidz bop/bubblegum.

timbo would've gave her what songs that became hits? why didnt he give her any hits for her last album?(that "more than a woman" chit wouldve flopped if she was alive). and timbo went pop breh. and if Aaliyah was so great, why are yall mortgaging her future on what beats a producer may or may not have given her? the same producer who had fallouts with missy & Ginuwine, who were bigger acts than Aaliyah and he was with them long before Aaliyah was in the picture.

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

Record labels put millions of dollars behind artists to make them as popular as Beyonce is, and 98% of them don't even get close. And even when they do they don't last long i.e. Lady Gaga.

Whether you like her or not Beyonce has organic qualities that people like, which is why she's so popular. If it was as easy as just having a great team around you every artist that a major label wants to push would be on her level of popularity.

Lady Gaga just performed at the Super Bowl & is headlining Coachella

 

[phantom 4 lyfe]

@Wacky D im amazed you took all that time to make up biased statements and show your obsession with female rnb singers.
but you dont know shyt.

are you that type ignant who thinks mary < beyonce? because mary dont dance around and did the tina turner route?
aaliyah was very popular amongst the urban culture you didnt grow up around.
she had more respect than BEYONCE DID. and beyonce was a known blowjob. who was jealous of aaliyah.
it took aaliyah's death to make beyonce talk her father into going solo. minus others. but the others had to go solo first.

why are you saying aaliyah cant sing? her voice was getting older and more seasoned. she loved to sing and COULD sing.
she didnt have to learn like rihanna.
shut the fukk up with your hater brain on max

 

[Wacky D]

Haven't read the thread

Aaliyah's music was too "black" for that kind of success imo. Her music was for us.

theres nothing TOO BLACK regarding Aaliyah. you can just look at the typical types that bang hard for her on here and see that.

especially with songs like "try again", "are you that somebody" and chit like "journey to the past".

are you that type ignant who thinks mary < beyonce? because mary dont dance around and did the tina turner route?
aaliyah was very popular amongst the urban culture you didnt grow up around.

what makes you think that i would say beyonce >>> mary?

lol @ the 2nd comment. says the person who sounds like she never even goes outside.

 

[Formerly known as...]

No she wouldn't be.

 

[The Jewnited States]

I don't care about this hypothetical ass shyt

Here's a fact:

She was god damn beautiful. And she made some great songs. RIP.

 

[JustCKing]

as always, youre completely missing the point.

Aaliyah couldn't sing and she was considered a bad performer as well.

when youre in that boat, youre expected to bring something extra to the table. she didn't write or produce her music to make up for the fact that she wasnt particularly good at her main occupation.

i.e. - ashanti gets a pass for her short-comings because she wrote her own chit.

You don't know music if you think Aaliyah couldn't sing. Everybody's not going to have a big voice.

Most singers don't write or produce their music. Being able to write or produce doesn't cover up anything either.

the real disrespect is from these belated Aaliyah stans disrespecting the game by rewriting history. all gloves are off by that point. you should check them instead.

how was her popularity growing when her last album did poorly before she died?

i think youre confusing an artist getting placements & crossing over with genuine organic popularity. also, when artists start doing movies, they usually get to that point by the time that their prime had already ran its course. Aaliyah being a prime example. a disappointing album drops, before she even films her role in the matrix.

"try again" was a big hit but it clearly didn't carry over into her album the following summer. and that's probably because that song was str8 kidz bop/bubblegum.

timbo would've gave her what songs that became hits? why didnt he give her any hits for her last album?(that "more than a woman" chit wouldve flopped if she was alive). and timbo went pop breh. and if Aaliyah was so great, why are yall mortgaging her future on what beats a producer may or may not have given her? the same producer who had fallouts with missy & Ginuwine, who were bigger acts than Aaliyah and he was with them long before Aaliyah was in the picture

Only person in here rewriting history is you.

Aaliyah was doing movies before the third album even dropped. Romeo Must Die came out about 1.5 years before her third album. "Try Again" wasn't going to carry over into her album because it came out a full year and some change before the album. It was tacked onto the end of the album as bonus on Deluxe versions and imports of the album.

We don't know if Timbaland would've gave her any more hits or not. You don't know if "More Than A Woman" would've flopped had she lived. You're not making any sense, because if the success of her singles were dependent on her death, "We Need A Resolution" would shot up the charts as well, but it didn't.

Timbaland never had a fallout with Missy.

the stars were putting up monster numbers that year. and there were new artists coming out and blowing right past her like Alicia keys.

those numbers were a disappointment. her single was lukewarm, and her album wasnt buzzin, and the response to her record was poor.

so what if beyonce was getting outsold by ashanti? ASHANTI WAS HUGE.

Here you go rewriting history AGAIN. You sit here and mention stars, but only list one star (while Aaliyah was alive). Alicia Keys was killing everybody. There wasn't anyone in R&B music period that was touching Alicia Keys in terms of popularity in 2001. That would include Mary, Usher, and any other R&B artist who dropped Summer 2001. Again, you're inflating Aaliyah without even realizing. No one is in here claiming that Aaliyah was some monster success before she died, but it wasn't a flop either. If Alicia Keys is the standard, every R&B artist who released an album in 2001 flopped when put up against Songs In A Minor.

 

[NatiboyB]

I think she would of carved out a strong acting career she would be super Brandy...

 

[Fresh]

that was my sh1t !!





Seriously, and objectively though, Im old enough to remember everybody and I look at Aaliyah as "cooler" than Beyonce till this day.

She had her own news (R. Kelly) and her own lane, she had her own "it" factor, she wasn't the Plain Jane R&B artist some are making her out to be.

Yes I acknowledge Bey can sing and dance her a$$ off, Im not a hater, watched Destiny's Child come up and everything.

I even think Aaliyah was a 'cooler' dancer, not sayin more ATHLETIC than a Beyonce or Ciara, but Aaliyah wasn't overrated or underrated, she was just... Aaliyah.

But after Are You That Somebody dropped and owned Mtv and radio when it was out, you can't say she wasn't as known as Brandy and Monica, EVERYBODY knew who she was and what she did when she was alive.


Lets not UNDERrate her just cuz some young heads overrate her, that doesn't make sense.

 

[I love Latina women]

that was my sh1t !!





Seriously, and objectively though, Im old enough to remember everybody and I look at Aaliyah as "cooler" than Beyonce till this day.

She had her own news (R. Kelly) and her own lane, she had her own "it" factor, she wasn't the Plain Jane R&B artist some are making her out to be.

Yes I acknowledge Bey can sing and dance her a$$ off, Im not a hater, watched Destiny's Child come up and everything.

I even think Aaliyah was a 'cooler' dancer, not sayin more ATHLETIC than a Beyonce or Ciara, but Aaliyah wasn't overrated or underrated, she was just... Aaliyah.

But after Are You That Somebody dropped and owned Mtv and radio when it was out, you can't say she wasn't as known as Brandy and Monica, EVERYBODY knew who she was and what she did when she was alive.


Lets not UNDERrate her just cuz some young heads overrate her, that doesn't make sense.

Yup

 

[Dboy41]

are you really posting those weak performances from "showtime at the Apollo"?

youre proving our point. she sounds horrible. but then again, most Aaliyah fanatics grew up on rihanna and other wack chit from the past decade.

I can tell youre not from the era and never actually watched the show on TV.






theres a big difference between being the opening act for super-pop groups, as opposed to being at the bottom of the bill amongst your direct peers & rappers.

completely different types of shows.
and lol @ mentioning TLC, as if destinys child weren't basically rookies when TLC was together.

lol @ you trying to give her a participation trophy for that weak Oscar performance that nobody cared about.





theres no context to your argument.

the stars were putting up monster numbers that year. and there were new artists coming out and blowing right past her like Alicia keys.

those numbers were a disappointment. her single was lukewarm, and her album wasnt buzzin, and the response to her record was poor.

so what if beyonce was getting outsold by ashanti? ASHANTI WAS HUGE.





as always, youre completely missing the point.

Aaliyah couldn't sing and she was considered a bad performer as well.

when youre in that boat, youre expected to bring something extra to the table. she didn't write or produce her music to make up for the fact that she wasnt particularly good at her main occupation.

i.e. - ashanti gets a pass for her short-comings because she wrote her own chit.





the real disrespect is from these belated Aaliyah stans disrespecting the game by rewriting history. all gloves are off by that point. you should check them instead.

how was her popularity growing when her last album did poorly before she died?

i think youre confusing an artist getting placements & crossing over with genuine organic popularity. also, when artists start doing movies, they usually get to that point by the time that their prime had already ran its course. Aaliyah being a prime example. a disappointing album drops, before she even films her role in the matrix.

"try again" was a big hit but it clearly didn't carry over into her album the following summer. and that's probably because that song was str8 kidz bop/bubblegum.

timbo would've gave her what songs that became hits? why didnt he give her any hits for her last album?(that "more than a woman" chit wouldve flopped if she was alive). and timbo went pop breh. and if Aaliyah was so great, why are yall mortgaging her future on what beats a producer may or may not have given her? the same producer who had fallouts with missy & Ginuwine, who were bigger acts than Aaliyah and he was with them long before Aaliyah was in the picture.

How was she at the bottom
Of the bill? She was a special guest of a joint tour. Just like dc were opening acts of OTHER people's tours. Same shyt.


Rihanna hardly writes or produces yet she has more hits than Beyonce. I don't see your logic.

And not to mention, It takes ONE person to write an Aaliyah song. It takes TEN people to write a Beyonce song. So how much is she actually writing? Why does she need so many people to help pen a 3 minute track?

She wasn't considered bad by anybody, and I want proof. I got proof of Whitney saying she loves Aaliyah's voice and Janet on wax saying Aaliyah was one of the best female dancers out.

 

[Dboy41]

are you really posting those weak performances from "showtime at the Apollo"?

youre proving our point. she sounds horrible. but then again, most Aaliyah fanatics grew up on rihanna and other wack chit from the past decade.

I can tell youre not from the era and never actually watched the show on TV.






theres a big difference between being the opening act for super-pop groups, as opposed to being at the bottom of the bill amongst your direct peers & rappers.

completely different types of shows.
and lol @ mentioning TLC, as if destinys child weren't basically rookies when TLC was together.

lol @ you trying to give her a participation trophy for that weak Oscar performance that nobody cared about.





theres no context to your argument.

the stars were putting up monster numbers that year. and there were new artists coming out and blowing right past her like Alicia keys.

those numbers were a disappointment. her single was lukewarm, and her album wasnt buzzin, and the response to her record was poor.

so what if beyonce was getting outsold by ashanti? ASHANTI WAS HUGE.





as always, youre completely missing the point.

Aaliyah couldn't sing and she was considered a bad performer as well.

when youre in that boat, youre expected to bring something extra to the table. she didn't write or produce her music to make up for the fact that she wasnt particularly good at her main occupation.

i.e. - ashanti gets a pass for her short-comings because she wrote her own chit.





the real disrespect is from these belated Aaliyah stans disrespecting the game by rewriting history. all gloves are off by that point. you should check them instead.

how was her popularity growing when her last album did poorly before she died?

i think youre confusing an artist getting placements & crossing over with genuine organic popularity. also, when artists start doing movies, they usually get to that point by the time that their prime had already ran its course. Aaliyah being a prime example. a disappointing album drops, before she even films her role in the matrix.

"try again" was a big hit but it clearly didn't carry over into her album the following summer. and that's probably because that song was str8 kidz bop/bubblegum.

timbo would've gave her what songs that became hits? why didnt he give her any hits for her last album?(that "more than a woman" chit wouldve flopped if she was alive). and timbo went pop breh. and if Aaliyah was so great, why are yall mortgaging her future on what beats a producer may or may not have given her? the same producer who had fallouts with missy & Ginuwine, who were bigger acts than Aaliyah and he was with them long before Aaliyah was in the picture.

It was still gold in a month. Do you got a crystal ball to know how it would end up selling overall?


Just like how in that first month Ashanti was shytting on Beyonce on the charts... Beyonce kept pushing the album and it outsold her overall. You have no argument lol

 

[Dboy41]

When Beyonce's second album came out it was flopping for the first couple of months which is why she kept putting out re-issues of her album.

A year later the album did well.

Wacky D explain this