if Eminem in your top5 DOA then your hip hop pass should be revoked ASAP

[ePiffany]

Eminem was better before he watered his shyt down with white trash bullshyt, horrible impressions of fictional characters and corny jokes.

U know B4 he changed his name
from Redman to.......oh......wait

 

[ePiffany]

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I don't get how you can say he has skill but his discography is ass

If his discography is ass then where did he display his skill?

It means from a technical standpoint and raw talent wise he's amazing

The problem is he wastes said ability on childish/frivolous subject matter and stupid impressions / voices / inflections / vocal technique.

No1 cares about u punchin a chick harder than Ray Rice or stapling yo dykk to paper. Its not clever its fukkin stupid. It's cornball white boy shyt

 

[ePiffany]

Lmaoo op delusional

Any top 5 has to at least include Em, Nas, Pac, Big.

The 5th person could be about 20 different rappers depending on preference.

If Em is top 5 at least that means out of;
Rakim
Cube
Mos
Chuck D
Scarface
Andre
G Rap
Ras Kass
Redman

........Only 1 of them would round out the top 5.......even tho every 1 of these nikkas is leagues ahead of him, many he even conceded were better on Til I Collapse













Comments and sentiments like these make me understand why South, Mid / West brehs get so upset at the over praising of technical lyricism. What u say comes 1st HOW u say it comes 2nd. Em will get called lyrical just cuz hes slick on the technical side but his subject matter and substance is of
the highest ( lowest?) order. Dude music has no soul, like at all completely shallow in every facet of the word

 

[The Ruler 09]

He's nowhere near top 5, I wouldn't want to take away anybodies Hip Hop pass due to that as they may not know any better, but if you have Eminem in your top 5 I personally feel you are not doing the knowledge on some other greats as there's artists that are vastly better than him. Sometimes it's a generational thing though that's why I wouldn't wanna be too harsh on some of them, they may not be up on certain MC's.

Eminem has 1 good album to me objectively speaking, the rest could be erased with little problem bar a few songs.

There's just too many great artists in Hip Hop to make a legitimate case for him being top 5, or top 10 for that matter.

 

[Jim Cornette]

I think people are forgetting about his run from slim shady lp to eminem show... He was untouchable on the mic.

Nobody would want to to go bar for bar with Em.. Of course the pills fukked him up and his skills have diminished heaps. But from just a pure rapping standpoint, he's top 5 for me. And everyone forgetting that Em didn't just rap about silly shyt. If I Had? Stan? The way I am? White America? Till I Collapse? Sing for the Moment?

Yeah he's white, yeah he sold more albums because he's white. But you nikkas have to pay his dues.. He can rap his fukking ass off.

 

[Jim Cornette]

Top 5s are difficult because you are always going to leave out dope spitters. But to say Em is barely top 20 is ludicrous, disrespectful. I'll allow him to drift into the top 10, because people have different tastes in music.

 

[Jim Cornette]

If Em is top 5 at least that means out of;
Rakim
Cube
Mos
Chuck D
Scarface
Andre
G Rap
Ras Kass
Redman

........Only 1 of them would round out the top 5.......even tho every 1 of these nikkas is leagues ahead of him, many he even conceded were better on Til I Collapse













Comments and sentiments like these make me understand why South, Mid / West brehs get so upset at the over praising of technical lyricism. What u say comes 1st HOW u say it comes 2nd. Em will get called lyrical just cuz hes slick on the technical side but his subject matter and substance is of
the highest ( lowest?) order. Dude music has no soul, like at all completely shallow in every facet of the word

Lmaoo and Redman had awesome subject matter?! You've lost it.

 

[DaveyDave]

Can y'all name 20 rappers with 3 classics

Em doesn't even have 3 classics but if I gave you that I would say

Redman
Ice Cube
KRS One
Rakim
De La Soul
Tribe
Scarface
OutKast
Pac
DJ Quik
Nas
Jay-Z
The Roots
MF DOOM
Kendrick
Run The Jewels

And prob more have just as much claim to 3 classics as Em does with his first 3

 

[Jim Cornette]

nikkas don't know what a "classic" means.

Redman has 1 at best thats a classic..

 

[DaveyDave]

nikkas don't know what a "classic" means.

Redman has 1 at best thats a classic..

if Redman only has 1 then Em has NOTHING even approaching a classic. it's widely accepted that Red has 3 classics and one of the best 3 album runs in Hip Hop history.

 

[10:31]

This guy is so overrated Man lol

and his music has aged horribly. go listen to that slim shady junk now and you'd probably laugh at yourself for liking such corny, gimmicky music.

dude dope as a MC but his catalog is do-do. he a true product of the machine. he dont got any classic albums. so if you got EM in your top5, then hand us that card and exit left swiftly.

Shut The fuxk up

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

I'd say 2 good albums 1 classic.

 

[ePiffany]

Lmaoo and Redman had awesome subject matter?! You've lost it.

I was speaking of all the rappers I named in contrast with Eminem. Generally speaking hes weak content wise.

Generally speaking hes taken Redmans style and raped it turning it into something barely recognizable unless u have a trained eye. Em himself kicked it w/ Outsidaz in Jersey who are affiliated w/ Red he clearly picked up more than a few things from that time.

Redman is light on content as well but didn't take his comedic character to ridiculous levels; Em seems like he's at a point of caricature of either Red or himself, artistically he loses points for this. Hes a Bizarro version of Redman not a rightful spiritual successor in the vein of;

G Rap 2 Nas/Pun
Cube 2 Pac
Kane 2 Jay Z

And he himself has admitted Red is the better mc

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Wait, what?

Yeah, the one major criticism I see here is that from a musical standpoint, Eminem isn't at the level of many other rappers. I maintain that his early beats when he was doing a couple songs on an album were dope. He wasn't Premier or Kanye-level, but he wasn't as awful as people make it seem. "The Way I Am," "Renegade," "'Til I Collapse," "Cleanin' Out My Closet," "Lose Yourself," "The Cross," "Mosh," "Like Toy Soldiers." Those were all good, and three of them ("'Til I Collapse," "Lose Yourself," "Like Toy Soldiers") are classic IMO. The problem is Eminem only knows one kind of sound as a producer, and if you're going to make dope beats, you have to have a big musical IQ. It got to the point where his beats sound one dimensional, and he comes off as the kind of person that really needs to be sat down and talked to about his music.

I don't know why he doesn't work with the Bass Brothers anymore, or get Dre to do more beats for him. Or consult any of these legendary producers to give him something.

I meant Recovery, my bad.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

if Redman only has 1 then Em has NOTHING even approaching a classic. it's widely accepted that Red has 3 classics and one of the best 3 album runs in Hip Hop history.

Absolutely.

Whut, Darkside, and Muddy Waters is one of the best 3 album runs ever.