If he completely retired tomorrow, Would Eminem be Top5 dead or alive?

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Stop it. Eminem is easily the most overrated MC of all time. ZERO UNIVERSALLY considered CLASSIC albums, several below average albums, a shytLOAD of wack/corny tracks and verses and one of the most notable skill fall offs in hip hop history. Dude wouldn't even have threads made about him if he was my color, breh. Somebody oughta punch you in the face for stannin whiteboy so hard.

Well, we can say the same for G Rap and he's top 5 anyway, I put him in a top 10 just for the skills and the sslp/mmlp/es trilogy but he fall out bad yes
 

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I'll drop some of the rappers I class above Eminem, in no order....

1: 2 Pac
2: KRS-One
3: K-Rino
4: AZ
5: Nas
6: Biggie
7: Jay Z
8: Rakim
9: Big Daddy Kane
10: Slick Rick
11: Kool G Rap
12: Big Pun
13: Fat Joe
14: Cormega
15: Last Emperor
16: Brother Ali
17: Slug
18: Vinnie Paz
19: Chuck D
20: Kool Moe Dee
21: Jadakiss
22: Beanie Sigel
23: Queen Latifah
24: Lauryn Hill
25: Guru
26: Common
27: Scarface
28: Pharaoh Monche
29: Immortal Technique
30: Chino XL
31: Kanye West
32: Saigon
33: Ras Kass
34: Raekwon
35: Canibus
36: Big L
37: Tragedy Khadafi
38: Melle Mel
39: Dr Dre
40: Stic Man
41: M1
42: Grand Puba
43: Havoc
44: Prodigy
45: Talib Kweli
46: Black Thought
47: Method Man
48: Redman
49: Ghostface
50: Z-Ro
51: Bizzy Bone
52: Andre 3000

Quite a few people I rate higher personally, probably forgot to mention a lot as just typed quickly.

Niccas just naming random rappers now, 2/3's of these niccas don't have an albums as goodvas Mmlp or even Eminem Show.

And dudes talk about classic songs? Em has tons of em, guilty conscience, way i am, stan, lose yourself, stay wide awake etc are undeniable. His "artistry" is just severrly underrated on this board. Fat Joe???:comeonson: Chino XL fukk u too
 

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Dre didn't even produce the album.....

first Eminem album Dre fully produced was ironically "Relapse" over a decade after he signed him

Its really disgusting how much shyt this dude Dre gets away with

He was exec producer, produced half the beats on there, and had a massive hand in shaping the sound of that album. Compare SSLP and MMLP and their different beats sonically.

Heres the quote:

Do you see that as your defining effort?

I don’t feel like I’ve made my best record yet. The Marshall Mathers LP got the closest, but I don’t feel like I’ve hit that thing just 100 percent perfect, from the first note to the last note. I always use Quincy Jones as an example– he didn’t make his biggest record until he was 50 and he started when he was 14. So I feel like I have a lot of room to get that thing done.
 

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Nah. I like him, but ultimately waaaay too much

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material in his catalog.
 

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Top five dead or alive? Personally, of course. :smugbiden: However, I can understand why others may not feel the same way. So there will never be an argument from me there. For others, you have two deceased emcees who are guaranteed spots in the top five, no matter what. Add the pinnacle of the game, Jay Z in there. Nas. Throw another rapper in there and there you have it. 96% of every hip hop fan’s top five. Arguing top five is ridiculous when everyone’s top five looks damn near the same. :aicmon:

But if Eminem perished tomorrow… there’s no way in hell you can tell me that the white boy is NOT top ten. Granted, Eminem’s discography is all over the place, but so are the majority of rappers. In fact, I think his discog is pretty standard. Biggie and Tupac met their demise early and went out with great but small discographies, but they definitely would have seen themselves become the villian if they survived. No way in hell they would have been to adapt the game like Jay Z. Speaking of which, even Jay da GAWD had subpar albums like Kingdom Come and Vol 3. Nas had Nastradamus and Streets Disciple. We all know how Rakim went out. Same with Cube. Same with whoever.

A lot of people try to say that the only reason Eminem is mentioned in top rapper discussions by the media is because of his race, and that’s completely ridiculous. Granted, it plays a part, but a lot of his recognition is because of his skill, which is incredible. Give the white boy props, he’s still a beast on the mic and overall, there’s very few rappers out in the game who can go head to head with him. Maybe his next album will be the one that’ll get brehs to realize. Hopefully.

Admittedly, Eminem IS corny and he HAS made garb songs like Just Lose it, Fack etc. But I attribute that to his warped sense of humor and the fact that dude IS WHITE. I think I saw some nicca say Em is forgettable because his songs have no soul. :russ:

But, real shyt, those goofy songs like those are like 1% of his shyt, so I will never understand the focus on them. Everyone knows the great amount of songs from his first three albums, but even his recent shyt – I’m a huge fan of Relapse for example – is wonderfully crafted. Even Recovery had gems like Seduction, Going Through Changes, No Love, etc. I think he’s still got it. The talent is extremely evident when he’s around Royce, for damn sure.

Ultimately, I feel you have to dig deeper to understand Em sometimes. For example, with Relapse, A lot of niccas focused on the accents, but underneath it all, he was spitting some insane shyt on top of top notch production. It was a concept album -- What would a serial killer sound like if he made a rap album? What if I had no limits on what I could say? Recovery was about him overcoming his drug addiction, so all of the pop sounds and the skyler grey esque hooks made sense. :yeshrug:

Niccas will forever be alienated by shyt like this, so unfortunately, I feel Eminem will never get true respect from hip hop fans. Overall, though, his discog are not bad albums. I’ll give yall Encore, however. But for me, he's one of the greats easily -- even if he died tomorrow.

Well said...
 

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of course he would be.

you talking about on all the hip hop lists and shyt that these people on websites and tv shows and magazines formulate? come on, of course he would be. the opinions of 90% of the people on forums like this be some alternative universe shyt, :pachaha:, can't listen to these lil niglets
 

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Eminem is a white Canibus

No he's not. Eminem is a much better song writer, cats who kinda peg him in with the chino XL's/canibus just because he was in that niche didn't really pay attention to his progression.

Em never had the illest production, even out of dre's shyt so any songs of his that were great/good were really because of his presence. He has never been one of those rappers to coast this or that beat to the point where you are more attracted to the backdrop than the emcee... so it's not like he gained some huge advantage over those guys by having more industry connects as far as making songs go.

He was able to translate that "battle" rap vibe into dope song structure while still maintaining lyrical integrity for the most part.

Poet laureate may be extra wordy and amazing as far as language, but it's not fukking with rabbit run, or stimulate, where you have great lyricism and structure. You could say that he got a lot of that from dre, but even on infinite he wasn't that bad at putting songs together as opposed to just straight up and down punchlines.

He's too diverse of a rapper to be lumped in with those guys on some "if he was black he'd be____"
 

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No he's not. Eminem is a much better song writer, cats who kinda peg him in with the chino XL's/canibus just because he was in that niche didn't really pay attention to his progression.

Em never had the illest production, even out of dre's shyt so any songs of his that were great/good were really because of his presence. He has never been one of those rappers to coast this or that beat to the point where you are more attracted to the backdrop than the emcee... so it's not like he gained some huge advantage over those guys by having more industry connects as far as making songs go.

He was able to translate that "battle" rap vibe into dope song structure while still maintaining lyrical integrity for the most part.

Poet laureate may be extra wordy and amazing as far as language, but it's not fukking with rabbit run, or stimulate, where you have great lyricism and structure. You could say that he got a lot of that from dre, but even on infinite he wasn't that bad at putting songs together as opposed to just straight up and down punchlines.

He's too diverse of a rapper to be lumped in with those guys on some "if he was black he'd be____"

This I can agree with.....

Despite my personal feelings that his last 3 solos have been trash...it is hard to explain but this point we keep going back to about him being a great songwriter is the one thing I agree with....

hard to explain but even when he makes subpar CONTENT.....his actual song structuring is still phenomenal.....

look at something like space bound(and I hate recovery)

that is one thing he always does right despite my feelings on him overall nowadays
 

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No he's not. Eminem is a much better song writer, cats who kinda peg him in with the chino XL's/canibus just because he was in that niche didn't really pay attention to his progression.

Em never had the illest production, even out of dre's shyt so any songs of his that were great/good were really because of his presence. He has never been one of those rappers to coast this or that beat to the point where you are more attracted to the backdrop than the emcee... so it's not like he gained some huge advantage over those guys by having more industry connects as far as making songs go.

He was able to translate that "battle" rap vibe into dope song structure while still maintaining lyrical integrity for the most part.

Poet laureate may be extra wordy and amazing as far as language, but it's not fukking with rabbit run, or stimulate, where you have great lyricism and structure. You could say that he got a lot of that from dre, but even on infinite he wasn't that bad at putting songs together as opposed to just straight up and down punchlines.

He's too diverse of a rapper to be lumped in with those guys on some "if he was black he'd be____"

this is why u one of the best posters on here u rap so u get nusances of rhyming and flow

like does canibus slant rhyme heavy with different accents with clear enuncation like eminem no

does canibus match his mutlis in syllable count for the most part no


stop the tape! This kid needs to be locked away! (Get him!)
Dr. Dre, don't just stand there, OPERATE!
I'm not ready to leave, it's too scary to die (fukk that!)
I'll have to be carried inside the cemetery and buried alive (Huh yup!)
Am I coming or going? I can barely decide
I just drank a fifth of vodka - dare me to drive? (Go ahead)
All my life I was very deprived
I ain't had a woman in years, and my palms are too hairy to hide (Whoops!)
Clothes ripped like the Incredible Hulk (hachhh-too)
I spit when I talk, I'll fukk anything that walks (C'mere)
When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
How you gonna breast feed me mom? (Wah!)
You ain't got no t*ts! (Wahhh!)
I lay awake and strap myself in the bed
With a bulletproof vest on and shoot myself in the head (BANG!)
I'm steaming mad (Arrrggghhh!)
And by the way when you see my dad? (Yeah?)
Tell him that I slit his throat, in this dream I had
 

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i honestly dont think em even deserves a top 20 spot. the only criteria em gets in on is technical ability. no one can deny him that. but his music is not enjoyable. it has no groove. no replayebilty. its amoral and doesnt hold up. i understand his has 2 types of fans, poor white people who get a cathartic experience for em relaying their poor white people struggles. and rich white people who want a white rapper to be the best rapper ever on some white supremace isht. but on artistry, he falls a long way short. i loved em as a kid, then i grew up, and boy, its definitely music for kids and emotionally crippled adults. technical ability is great though.

same situation with me

I said it before....

the best comparison is how many of us felt about south park when we were younger compared to how we may feel about it today....

people say "aged bad" is overused but Eminem is one of the few that it is applicable for...

I bet even the biggest jay fans @blackslash will admit aging "bad" doesn't apply to someone like nas...

the way Eminem is aging badly music wise is pretty much the hip hop version of Elton john's fall from grace....

very painful to watch...
 
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Coming form someone who thinks EM is overrated, Grouping eminem with cannibus is ridiculous.

Cannibus is easily the WOAT "dope" rapper
 

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Em seems and feels like a gimmick to me, probably because he is one. I have heard him spit pain, frustration and anger yes. But there's more to life than that, plus his vein of pain, frustration and anger I don't find diverse. I don't need to hear songs from Jay about killing his baby's mother which he never would do anyway. I find doing that disrespectful to the child, Nas handled the situation in a more grown man manner in my opinion. I wasn't feeling his Drop The World verses at all, think Wayne was better personally. I don't feel the pain Pac had in Em's music, and I don't feel Scarface or even Big's. Maybe Em's music don't represent the street enough for me, I don't relate and I don't feel it and I don't think it's that dope either. Not saying he's completely talentless, but musically i don't feel it. I ain't got no hate towards anyone who disagrees but that's just my opinion and feelings on the matter. I think Rakim far supersedes Em, and so does Nas, Nas has a much higher more diverse and better quality body of work in my opinion. Certain people I listen to like KRS-One and K-Rino comparatively make Eminem seem like an immature baby to me so I can't fukk with his music. But differences of opinions make things interesting and incite debates.

He's been doing this since '97 and a lot of shiit played out in real life, too. Hard to call him a gimmick.

Of course Em's pain is going to be different than Pac and Scarface. I'm a black dude from the South,but a lot of Em's pain and frustrations with life, love, and success I can relate too and its one of the reasons I've listened to him since day one.

I agree its hard to put Em in the top 5, shiiit its hard to put Jay or B.I.G. in the top 5. But he is top 10 easily. Lol @ you thinking every single one of these rappers are better than Em.
 
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