If I was a smart white racist trolling the Coli...

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and I really wanted to mess up the Black community, I wouldn't post as a racist. It would be way too obvious and just build up community solidarity that much more.

I'd be way more subtle with it.


I would post as a Black woman, and spend all my time shytting on Black men.

I'd post as a Black man, and focus on shytting on Black women.

And then whenever one of those identities blamed me for "starting it", I would blame the other one in turn, and watch the fireworks go off so that NO ONE would ever give in. I'd post shyt like, "Look at those Black men always hating on Black women," and I wouldn't care how obviously hypocritical it was to complain about hating in the same sentence where I was hating, because hate works best with emotions, not logic, and my job would be to build hate.


I'd post as a young Black and talk shyt about the old heads, or I'd post as an old head and talk shyt about the new generation.

I'd post as an African and trash about how weak the Caribbean descendants of slavery are. I'd post as a Caribbean DOS and trash Americans, or I'd post as an AADOS and trash Africans.

I'd post as a US Black and shyt on English Blacks. I'd post as Black guy from Chicago and shyt on Black folk from the South.

I'm post that Obama and Kaep and Halle and Shaun King and anyone else with a White mama isn't really Black. Or I'd post that Lenny Kravitz and Marley and DuBois and Booker T. and anyone else with a White papa isn't really Black. I'd post that Manny and Tatyana and Carmelo and Sammy Davis Jr. and anyone else with Afro-Latino ancestry wasn't really Black. Hell, if you were too light skinned or you dated out or you were a member of the Republican party or any other shyt I could find, I'd use it as a way of claiming that you weren't Black. And then on the other side I'd make up people to mock anyone who was dark-skinned or didn't date out or was a member of the Democratic party or anything else I could find.

And then, just for kicks, I would find any way possible to disparage the whole idea of the Black family and keep them apart. Anything I could do to keep Black men and Black women from forming families together and raising up Black kids, I would do it. I would mock marriage, I would mock raising kids, I would mock raising other people's kids, I would mock marrying anyone with kids, I would do ANYTHING to keep Black kids from getting raised right by Black men and Black women, I'm make the whole idea of raising up seed something to mock and meme.

Anything I could do to divide, I would do it. Anything that would use identity to pit members of the community against each other, that would make fighting more common than constructive progress.

I'm not talking about disagreeing on ideas. Ideas get lost in the crowd, and it's fair for anyone to have a difference of opinion. If I was anti-Black I'd spend all my time focusing on identity, I would use people's identity to disqualify them from shyt and thereby make Black solidarity as small and as divided as possible. Because I know that no matter what your ideas are, not matter what main things you agree on, you can't work together if I've gotten you to hate each other's identities.



I ain't saying that everyone doing those things is a white racist. I don't believe that's true at all. I'm just saying that if I was a white racist, that's exactly what I'd be doing. :beli:
 
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much of TLR fits the bill...they're in a few threads in Higher Learning but i've definitely noticed a shift as they grow in numbers

most of the threads in TLR that are pushing the black women/men divide, you go in and it's literally a group of 4-5 of them talking to each other....obviously trying to bring in more people to the thread and push visibility
 

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much of TLR fits the bill...they're in a few threads in Higher Learning but i've definitely noticed a shift as they grow in numbers

most of the threads in TLR that are pushing the black women/men divide, you go in and it's literally a group of 4-5 of them talking to each other....obviously trying to bring in more people to the thread and push visibility

We gotta be careful though...I didn't make this thread to point fingers too specific at anyone cause that will just lead to defensiveness. Some posters are agents, others are just astray or following a crowd mentality (or on the other hand just trying to be contrarian). I know I gotta be more careful about my own posting, sometimes I get too loose with attacking a forum or harping on someone's associations when it really should always be about the ideas. We can disagree on ideas and still stay cool with each other and work together towards the main objective of the betterment of the community.

As long as someone still wants to participate in the struggle and work for the community, I'm down with them. I just need them not to hate on the rest of the community.
 

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We gotta be careful though...I didn't make this thread to point fingers too specific at anyone cause that will just lead to defensiveness. Some posters are agents, others are just astray or following a crowd mentality (or on the other hand just trying to be contrarian). I know I gotta be more careful about my own posting, sometimes I get too loose with attacking a forum or harping on someone's associations when it really should always be about the ideas. We can disagree on ideas and still stay cool with each other and work together towards the main objective of the betterment of the community.

As long as someone still wants to participate in the struggle and work for the community, I'm down with them. I just need them not to hate on the rest of the community.

Yeah, things have changed on the forum. Ultimately the points you have raised are valid. Nothing to add. A lot of times the agency is obvious to the point you want to scream. But you gotta let people live and make their own mistakes. It's a part of life.
 

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I just don't believe in the power of this type of posting. Are you really super influenced by other posters? Or do you come here with your ideas and promote those? I think it is way more the latter. I mean if a discussion holds no interest why participate? Who would let another screen name disqualify them based on their demographic? I wouldn't.
 

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Great and thoughtful post. This is the power of weaponized hate. Once the wheel starts spinning it self perpetuates easily. And its especially powerful on the Internet where examples from real life (or lies) can be written or cherry picked internet accesible examples can be used.

Its a hard wheel to break. Especially when people who feel they dont have a voice or aren't being treated fairly feel like their voices arent being heard. That seems to be the prevailing sentiment everywhere no matter the polar end of the issue.

Its hard to be discrening when these nets can be cast so widely and over hot button topics that can hit close to home. Im not immune. Few are. Its especially poignant when the media plays into what feels like the shouting down for one opinion or narrative over another. It just becomes held in a persons mental portfolio as an example which can feed the wheel's spinning.

The reason this is so effective is that it allows the conflict to spread over topics people have geniune opinions about.

As for what to do about it, first off we have to reject anti intellectualism fully and completely. While allowing ideas to flow freely.

Also a dynamic that strongly influences this is the practice of "sassy dismissals ". I feel like twitter feminists brought this into politics and national discouree (if you mad prove me wrong) where instead of dialogue being encouraged on hot button issues people just say "wow" or "you're just a ____" to the content of the discussion and lazily attack someones character than the idea being discussed.its fukk shyt to me and it allows cowardly leveled attacks while maintaining lazy anti intellectualism.

This is something HL in particular has gotten out of hand with and it's why this subforum is so polarized and is considered inacessible to tlr users. Politics in general is felt as too complicated and inaccessible to the average person. So when people unsure of their polotical knowledge level speak among HL posters who are constantly circlejerking each other they lowkey feel like if they post dissenting opinions they're in danger of being gaslight when what they were lacking in the convo is usually contex or knowledge.

Its all fun and games when its done individually but as these become regular practices, that is how you build the ill will people hold on to. Its why there is so little intersection discussion wise for TLR and HL posters. Its why modern politics is so polarized and entrenched.

I think what needs to happen is people need to learn how much respecting the autonomy and mind of other people is within their own intrests and to identify and stamp out illogical hate concepts as much as they can. While anti intellectualism needs to be shunned on a cultural level to keep those concepts from taking root
We all have something to work on to break the wheel
 
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What happened to Cook? I never see Brook either? Coli feels like a ship without a captain, and TLR is great proof of that. Years ago you'd see brehs and trolls banned with quickness, you'd see people fish for daps and plats with gender-baiting threads, but the vibe was different. Hillary vs Trump really shifted the foundation of this site. To this day we got alleged brehs on here supporting Trump, although most do it loosely these days.

Its the lengths we go to to divide ourselves. We beef based on our city, on our country, on our complexion. Its sad because you can see people collectively giving into their hate and worse instincts, but its just really not the way

We gotta get on code. We don't have to all like each other, we can have our issues, but if this is truly a black majority website, then we can't let these agent threads fly. We also need to stop looking at civil rights violations of other groups and just going "They ain't black so :yeshrug:". If history has proven anything its that blatant human rights violations don't start with black people, but we always end up victims.

There needs to be at least one mod that can ban people, or another purge. Theres a lot of trash that needs to go
 

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What happened to Cook? I never see Brook either? Coli feels like a ship without a captain, and TLR is great proof of that. Years ago you'd see brehs and trolls banned with quickness, you'd see people fish for daps and plats with gender-baiting threads, but the vibe was different. Hillary vs Trump really shifted the foundation of this site. To this day we got alleged brehs on here supporting Trump, although most do it loosely these days.

It's true that I've seen a forum literally die due to lack of moderation before - the trolls became so obnoxious that people just went away. But I'm not too worried about that here. The trolls are outnumbered and they tend to stick to their own threads, they aren't in most of the good threads anyway. I'm only in favor of banning the explicitly destructive people. And there aren't many of those.

I'm not gonna say it's name but there was a forum I used to post on about 15 years ago, it ain't even around anymore, but back when it was hot it would have a great community mentality. When trolls came through and started spreading divisive or hater shyt, the OG's on the forum would step up and reasonably and directly show them why they were wrong. There was any mean-spiritedness in it, they just spit truth. Some of the haters tried to keep going but there was no power behind their posting because their own position marginalized them.

We just have to have the people on the right track be able to speak louder than the people on the wrong track, and the rest of us who aren't leading the charge still got to throw our support behind the positive, community-building voices. We don't need no power brokers to fix things for us, we gotta do it through the power of the community or there is no community.




Its the lengths we go to to divide ourselves. We beef based on our city, on our country, on our complexion. Its sad because you can see people collectively giving into their hate and worse instincts, but its just really not the way

We gotta get on code. We don't have to all like each other, we can have our issues, but if this is truly a black majority website, then we can't let these agent threads fly. We also need to stop looking at civil rights violations of other groups and just going "They ain't black so :yeshrug:". If history has proven anything its that blatant human rights violations don't start with black people, but we always end up victims.

:wow: to all that
 
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