If Internet message and Social Media was around in 94,what would be the reception to illmatic Ect.

[Foxmulder]

Thread turned into a cluster fukk with the usual cabal of shytty posters who hate NY and Nas. Nikkas isn't even answering the OP's question. If there was social media and the internet back then like now Illmatic would of been more popular with the critical acclaim and it would be more popular all over.

shyt would've got the GKMC, MBDTF treatment.

 

[H.I.M.]

I remember being in high school getting clowned for listening to Liquid Swords and Illmatic and shyt like that..

I remember i said something similar to this in another thread...about how dudes woulda clowned on for listening to Wu-Tang when i was coming up (an east coast city btw) and cacs/new yorkers/boom-bap stans were absolutely adamant that i was making shyt up....there was even a Wu-Tang fan from my city that backed up exactly what i was saying...and they were still in denial

Shows how out of touch with reality your average poster in the booth is...particularly when it comes to 90's rap...also exposes the demographics of the booth.

 

[Taadow]

What exactly is your point?

My point was what I said. It wasn't cryptic.

 

[904]

I remember i said something similar to this in another thread...about how dudes woulda clowned on for listening to Wu-Tang when i was coming up (an east coast city btw) and cacs/new yorkers/boom-bap stans were absolutely adamant that i was making shyt up....there was even a Wu-Tang fan from my city that backed up exactly what i was saying...and they were still in denial

Shows how out of touch with reality your average poster in the booth is...particularly when it comes to 90's rap...also exposes the demographics of the booth.

I used to keep that shyt to myself because I knew nikkas wasn't listening to the shyt I was.. My homeboys would ask and would always say I was weird and shyt..

The internet changed everything though because later on in high school these same nikkas started listening to Big L

 

[LogicFirst]

My point was what I said. It wasn't cryptic.

Your point is "Nas can rap . . ."
no shyt weirdo

 

[Taadow]

Your point is "Nas can rap . . ."
no shyt weirdo

Are you illiterate or something?

 

[hex]

A few things....

1. The thread is cool from a novelty stand point....but if someone was on the internet like that in 1994, going to message boards and typing dissertations on rap music....let's just say this:

There was a certain type of person doing that in 1994....and there was credible hip-hop heads. There was very little over lap between the two at the time.

2. I was 18 in 1994. Da Brat was seen as a Snoop clone. People liked her shyt....but she was mostly a nonfactor. Yes I know what she sold, and she sold that to casual rap fans. Similar to Hammer....people didn't start hating Hammer until later, initially people fukked with his music. But he was never seen as a serious rapper, same as Da Brat initially. I say "initially" for her because it became obvious she could rap when she actually stopped biting Snoop.

3. As far as "Illmatic", people around me listened to it....same as BONE, or Snoop, or Outkast, or whoever. I have no idea how much it sold, nobody gave a fukk about all that back then. If you're trying to piece together when it went gold or plat using the RIAA site, please stop. That's when it was certified by the RIAA, not when it actually shipped 500k, or 1 M. Certification costs money, you could ship a billion records and if nobody pays for certification, or takes months/years to pay, that's when it'll say it was certified.

Stop applying 2015 message board logic to an album that came out 20+ years ago.

4. I'm not saying Nas was on top of the world in 1994....he wasn't....but I'm curious how some of you avoided him, seeing as how he was on The Source, various other magazines, YO! MTV Raps, Rap City, multiple videos out, etc. He was around, he wasn't some underground rapper. I don't mean, "was you checking for Nas?" I mean I have no idea how some of had an interest in rap in 1994, and had no idea he even existed.

Fred.

 

[LogicFirst]

Bear me to it, cuzz.

Was just about to post that Da MUTHAFUCCIN' Brat was gettin' more love in '94 in Nas.

That's not even shade - it's the truth.

only a fakkot could manage to bring up Da Brat in a Nas Illmatic thread.

 

[LogicFirst]

no one gave a shyt about illmatic. Like buddy said, in an era where EVERYTHING sold nikka went single plastic. RTD was much bigger... nikkaz woulda called illmatic garbage if thecoli.com existed then. Now the brainwashing has taken effect...

"no one gave a shyt about illmatic"---yet here we are two decades later still talking about it.

 

[spliz]

A few things....

1. The thread is cool from a novelty stand point....but if someone was on the internet like that in 1994, going to message boards and typing dissertations on rap music....let's just say this:

There was a certain type of person doing that in 1994....and there was credible hip-hop heads. There was very little over lap between the two at the time.

2. I was 18 in 1994. Da Brat was seen as a Snoop clone. People liked her shyt....but she was mostly a nonfactor. Yes I know what she sold, and she sold that to casual rap fans. Similar to Hammer....people didn't start hating Hammer until later, initially people fukked with his music. But he was never seen as a serious rapper, same as Da Brat initially. I say "initially" for her because it became obvious she could rap when she actually stopped biting Snoop.

3. As far as "Illmatic", people around me listened to it....same as BONE, or Snoop, or Outkast, or whoever. I have no idea how much it sold, nobody gave a fukk about all that back then. If you're trying to piece together when it went gold or plat using the RIAA site, please stop. That's when it was certified by the RIAA, not when it actually shipped 500k, or 1 M. Certification costs money, you could ship a billion records and if nobody pays for certification, or takes months/years to pay, that's when it'll say it was certified.

Stop applying 2015 message board logic to an album that came out 20+ years ago.

4. I'm not saying Nas was on top of the world in 1994....he wasn't....but I'm curious how some of you avoided him, seeing as how he was on The Source, various other magazines, YO! MTV Raps, Rap City, multiple videos out, etc. He was around, he wasn't some underground rapper. I don't mean, "was you checking for Nas?" I mean I have no idea how some of had an interest in rap in 1994, and had no idea he even existed.

Fred.

Best and most accurate post in the whole thread...couldn't have said it better myself..

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

everyone has to take into account the culture of american society in 94. those albums are both timeless but they also did a lot to fit in with how life was like back then. everything that blew up woulda still blown up, just faster and probably more. and the flops wouldve flopped faster and not hung around with decent sales. word of mouth that a song/album was hot or trash would have sped up the whole process.

 

[H.I.M.]

Every other major label rapper were getting their albums certified except for Nas...and Columbia records was too poor to afford certification for his albums until 1996...his album was also the only rap album being bootlegged out of New York in until 1996.

Anything else Nas stans?

 

[hex]

Every other major label rapper were getting their albums certified except for Nas...and Columbia records was too poor to afford certification for his albums until 1996...his album was also the only rap album being bootlegged out of New York in until 1996.

Anything else Nas stans?

This has nothing to do with Nas. It just gets tiresome having to explain how the RIAA works.

Look at Snoop. "Doggystyle" was arguably the biggest rap album out at the time, and Snoop was easily the most eagerly anticipated solo artist.

"Doggystyle" went 4x plat as of May 1994. And....that's it. So....you're telling me that album fell off the map after that? You're telling me Interscope didn't ship 1 million more of those, anywhere in the U.S. at any point in the last 20 years?

You'd have to be retarded to believe that. There is no more certs, because Interscope stopped paying for them. Is Interscope poor? Of course not....but they're getting paid either way. Certs don't mean much.

Likewise, I doubt Columbia was worried about keeping their certs up to date so a guy could use it as a talking point on a message board 2 decades later.

As someone that was supposedly active during that era, you should know better. But you seem to have some kind of bizarre vendetta against Nas, so I'll let you cook.

Fred.

 

[H.I.M.]

This has nothing to do with Nas. It just gets tiresome having to explain how the RIAA works.

Look at Snoop. "Doggystyle" was arguably the biggest rap album out at the time, and Snoop was easily the most eagerly anticipated solo artist.

"Doggystyle" went 4x plat as of May 1994. And....that's it. So....you're telling me that album fell off the map after that? You're telling me Interscope didn't ship 1 million more of those, anywhere in the U.S. at any point in the last 20 years?

You'd have to be retarded to believe that. There is no more certs, because Interscope stopped paying for them. Is Interscope poor? Of course not....but they're getting paid either way. Certs don't mean much.

Likewise, I doubt Columbia was worried about keeping their certs up to date so a guy could use it as a talking point on a message board 2 decades later.

As someone that was supposedly active during that era, you should know better. But you seem to have some kind of bizarre vendetta against Nas, so I'll let you cook.

Fred.

So...why would you even bring up the RIAA's certification practices in this thread, unless you were implying that it was the reason for Illmatic's low sales?

4. I'm not saying Nas was on top of the world in 1994....he wasn't....but I'm curious how some of you avoided him, seeing as how he was on The Source, various other magazines, YO! MTV Raps, Rap City, multiple videos out, etc. He was around, he wasn't some underground rapper. I don't mean, "was you checking for Nas?" I mean I have no idea how some of had an interest in rap in 1994, and had no idea he even existed.

So he had the entire hip-hop industry & media gassing his shyt...national video/radio play...mainstream exposure, promotional funding from a major label...and his shyt still flopped???

 

[H.I.M.]

Brotha Lynch, Ganksta Nip, Juvie, BG, Hot Boys, 3-6 Mafia, 8Ball & MJG were doing Illmatic-like numbers in that era (pre-Lauryn Hill stimulus package) INDEPENTLY with far-less resources at their disposal...no national radio/video play, no yo MTV raps, no rap city, no promotiona/funding/logistical/networking channels from major labels...no gooks gassing their shyt hip-hop publications...

Geto Boys moved 500,000 units in a year with their 1st album without even a fraction of the promotion, exposure & critical acclaim that Illmatic got