Im about to interview a breh who is asking for 120k a year salary

[SadimirPutin]

Thanks for the advice. I have the same mindset. I started off with a real shytty salary, on the low end of the range, any much lower and it would have been

Even 65K would be a come up to me, which is weird considering what my skillset is and the value I'm adding to the company.

When discussing promotions the boss said annual raises are 2 to 4%. Lets say I luck out and its 4% annual raise every year it would take me 10 years to reach 90K or some shyt

& I got buddies working at Amazon with 80K out the gate.

A good rule of thumb is to consider what you are responsible for....

wil you be responsible for a cluster of servers that handle a million dollars of transactions over a 6 month period? If they are not breaking you off 68k off the bat then something is very wrong

Are you responsible for an upgrade that brings up a new branch office in london? why they lowballing you

The responsibilities of the job should factor in what you ask to be compensated

 

[Apollo Creed]

No it wont. If you spend more than 1 year anywhere without a promotion in the IT field, you are losing money.

Because of heavily experience is valued, the amount of money you get in the paltry annual performance based raise does not compare with how much more valuable you are to the work sector with that extra year of experience.

For instance, if you are working as a fresh out of college Network Engineer making 65k (no experience), next year, you will be making anywhere from 65.25k to 67k but probalby not much more than that.

However, if you quit that job, you can ask for 72k-75k easily just off one years experience and whatever new skills or certs you acquired

The only time its beneficial to stay with the same company is if you have a clear path to a promotion. If not, 1 year and dip out.

IMO 3 yrs is the magic #. IF you arent getting promoted after 2 annual reviews you should be looking at an exit strategy. At least by 3 yrs you would be able to Bounce and apply for HIGHER positions AND you would be vested in their 401k so you can take that extra cash with you instead of them taking it back. IMO Company Hopping for lateral roles is dumb unless you are in Sr or management Positions or truly hate your current role.

 

[Gold]

IMO 3 yrs is the magic #. IF you arent getting promoted after 2 annual reviews you should be looking at an exit strategy. At least by 3 yrs you would be able to Bounce and apply for HIGHER positions AND you would be vested in their 401k so you can take that extra cash with you instead of them taking it back. IMO Company Hopping for lateral roles is dumb unless you are in Sr or management Positions or truly hate your current role.

In 2013 (3 jobs ago), I was making basically half of what i'm making now.
There is no way in hell I would have gotten a promotion that would have doubled my income if I had stayed at my job 3 years ago.

But I'll let you cook, stay in the same company as long as you want, but I promise you they are underpaying you

 

[Apollo Creed]

In 2013 (3 jobs ago), I was making basically half of what i'm making now.
There is no way in hell I would have gotten a promotion that would have doubled my income if I had stayed at my job 3 years ago.

But I'll let you cook, stay in the same company as long as you want, but I promise you they are underpaying you

I got into the field in 2012, was promoted in 1.5 yrs, and then bounced at yr 3 and damn near doubled my salary AND took on a Senior Role.

Chess not checkers.

Hopping around every yr to take on lateral roles that arent Contractor roles are dumb, and nobody will waste their time with you after a while because they see they won't get a return on their investment.

But what do I know.

 

[Gold]

I got into the field in 2012, was promoted in 1.5 yrs, and then bounced at yr 3 and damn near doubled my salary AND took on a Senior Role.

Chess not checkers.

Hopping around every yr to take on lateral roles that arent Contractor roles are dumb, and nobody will waste their time with you after a while because they see they won't get a return on their investment.

But what do I know.

None of my jumps were lateral.

In past 3 years I have been a:

Byte System Admin (Proprietary Software)
Network Engineer and Symantec SME
Systems Engineer (current position)

I have no interest in a pissing contest with you, what you did worked for you, great. What I did is working for me.

Once I get Sr. System Architect position and get married with kids, I'll be far more likely to stay put. But as of now I just want more money and more titles.

 

[Apollo Creed]

None of my jumps were lateral.

In past 3 years I have been a:

Byte System Admin (Proprietary Software)
Network Engineer and Symantec SME
Systems Engineer (current position)

I have no interest in a pissing contest with you, what you did worked for you, great. What I did is working for me.

Once I get Sr. System Architect position and get married with kids, I'll be far more likely to stay put. But as of now I just want more money and more titles.

Like I said what do I know, good luck.

 

[Gold]

Like I said what do I know, good luck.

Likewise

 

[DIMES]

@Silver Surfer is a good dude who spits knowledge but I think the way he phrased his thoughts made him sound like he hatin

That young bull askin for a lot he gotta show out and he got it than he should get it

 

[Rawtid]

@Silver Surfer is a good dude who spits knowledge but I think the way he phrased his thoughts made him sound like he hatin

That young bull askin for a lot he gotta show out and he got it than he should get it

Lol no he's not asking for a lot IF that's the starting salary for his industry. Six figure jobs in certain industries are not hard to come by and low 100's are the starting point for some. Now if the range is $90-$120k, he's asking for a lot

 

[Gold]

A good rule of thumb is to consider what you are responsible for....

wil you be responsible for a cluster of servers that handle a million dollars of transactions over a 6 month period? If they are not breaking you off 68k off the bat then something is very wrong

Are you responsible for an upgrade that brings up a new branch office in london? why they lowballing you

The responsibilities of the job should factor in what you ask to be compensated

The bolded was literally my negotiating point for my current job. We use HPE's 3PAR to configure our SANand HyperV and Failover Cluster Manager to manage our 10 host cluster (2 clusters actually, 6 and 4 host respectively).
The thing is there are only 3 people in the company (including myself) who even know how the system works. Outside of us 3, no one even knows how to build a cpg profile or even take/restore a vm snapshot. And even if they did, they don't have access to any of the host. And if it all goes down, 0 business can be done.

And that's just the storage side. Not even mentioning the networking side, configuring sonicwalls, merakis, load balancers, domain controllers .

My point is, if they put the entire production of the business in your hands, they can afford to pay you more.

 

[DIMES]

Lol no he's not asking for a lot IF that's the starting salary for his industry. Six figure jobs in certain industries are not hard to come by and low 100's are the starting point for some. Now if the range is $90-$120k, he's asking for a lot

Silver was thinking 70 ish K was a good offer. I think the range is much lower than everybody thinks.

It's like a incoming freshman asking to start on the varsity basketball team. Your gonna be thinking "oh no he didn't.... He better light up the whole damn team "

 

[Rawtid]

Silver was thinking 70 ish K was a good offer. I think the range is much lower than everybody thinks.

It's like a incoming freshman asking to start on the varsity basketball team. Your gonna be thinking "oh no he didn't.... He better light up the whole damn team "

I understand what you're saying but the industry determines the salary, not an individual. It's not fair for you or I or anyone for that matter to say that's too much. He could have researched and felt that was the minimum for his talents. Doesn't matter who has been doing it longer and making less. OP just came off as a hater to me.

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

A good rule of thumb is to consider what you are responsible for....

wil you be responsible for a cluster of servers that handle a million dollars of transactions over a 6 month period? If they are not breaking you off 68k off the bat then something is very wrong

Are you responsible for an upgrade that brings up a new branch office in london? why they lowballing you

The responsibilities of the job should factor in what you ask to be compensated

It's a tech company. Software is our bread and butter. Without the software we are fukked. If every dev decided to leave the company we are fukked (its a small company). The company culture is very conservative and old school and they treat devs as those ppl who you don't understand and stuff into a corner. & they have a very high turnover rate too. nobody's ever stayed more than a year and a half, so once my year is up i'm gone. i don't even care if i get a paycut i just want out this joint.

 

[root_eruditorium_org]

I got into the field in 2012, was promoted in 1.5 yrs, and then bounced at yr 3 and damn near doubled my salary AND took on a Senior Role.

Chess not checkers.

Hopping around every yr to take on lateral roles that arent Contractor roles are dumb, and nobody will waste their time with you after a while because they see they won't get a return on their investment.

But what do I know.

Yes this is the other side of the argument and you make a lot of good points. I think it makes sense to job hop on a per annum basis but you have to cool it and stick around at a place (a place you like preferably) for at minimum two years or otherwise you will have a certain amount of employers who aren't even going to bother with you because it is expensive trying to break somebody in only for them to leave. It's a tough one, but if there is an opening and the pay is a significant increase I don't see anybody turning the job down unless there's confounding factors (location, you like your current job, etc).

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yes this is the other side of the argument and you make a lot of good points. I think it makes sense to job hop on a per annum basis but you have to cool it and stick around at a place (a place you like preferably) for at minimum two years or otherwise you will have a certain amount of employers who aren't even going to bother with you because it is expensive trying to break somebody in only for them to leave. It's a tough one, but if there is an opening and the pay is a significant increase I don't see anybody turning the job down unless there's confounding factors (location, you like your current job, etc).

Avg person isn't looking up jobs unless they arent satisfied with their current role, which is the only case I think one should bounce early. Leaving jobs in a year you haven't even had a chance to do much to even grow. Aint no recruiter at a company worth a damn interviewing someone who has 10 yrs experience at 9 different jobs that wasn't working as an independent contractor. But y'all can do what you want at the end of the day.