I'm Intuit Because Zucoin System Investments(ZSI) isn't Crypto- LA Clippers Off Season Thread
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Harden can no longer be a main option on any team. When it counts, he will never give the effort needed to get over the hump. Norm had a great season for his standards, same with Zu.
They’ve got to find another young scorer or figure out a way to bring in a name, which will be tough because Harden will net you nothing from a team with assets. Kawhi’s playoff run upped his value but if you move off him, it’s basically hitting the reset button
They’ve got to find another young scorer or figure out a way to bring in a name, which will be tough because Harden will net you nothing from a team with assets. Kawhi’s playoff run upped his value but if you move off him, it’s basically hitting the reset button
If they were ever gonna move Kawhi, it'd be this summer. He made it through the season (half of it...) and their series.
It would still be viewed as a dice roll but teams would give up something for him right now. I thought he was pedestrian in this series (by his standards) besides game two. Basically low to mid-20s for the other six games. He's a #2 on a contending team.
Some of it is contingent on how the postseason plays out but some teams off the top of my head are:
Detroit
Indiana
Houston
OKC (if they flame out here in round two)
I think those days are done imo. Everybody is building their teams now. If its not a Giannis type player then I don't believe there's a player or a "name" out there that's going to save us or even worth perusing. Guys that don't move the needle in wins, team chemistry, or ticket sales. And these are the guys that will want $50-60 million a season. We had that guy in SGA, all of our picks, and open cap space, but we all know how that turned out. The new model is going to be OKC, Houston, Detroit, etc. 3-4 vets and the rest young athletic guys that have potential or are solid role players. Stacking 30 year olds on top of core of 30 year old is over with.
We gotta build some players up from the ground. Lawrence Frank is going to scream out again how we need to get younger and more athletic this offseason the same as he did last off season, but will ground the youth and bring in a washed Bogdan, Simmons, Patty Mills, and Eubanks and then watch them be unplayable in the post season.
Agreed.. Like you said, depending on how the season ends, I have a feeling somebody is going to inquire about Kawhi. Houston and OKC have a lot of picks, and outside of a lottery kid, no minutes available or even a roster spot to house these guys in the next couple of years. Houston can't even find time for Reed Shepard and Cam Whitmore and they have like two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks coming up in the next draft. Would the Clipps be willing to move Kawhi and for what package is the question.
Even if we somehow got past Denver our bench was cooked. Once Dunn got benched in game 6 his confidence was completely shot. Ben Simmons was supposed to relieve Zu and play small ball center and/or relieve Harden and run some point. He wouldn't turn and face the basket at center and wouldn't shoot from the perimeter= unplayable and benched. Bogdan wasn't happening. We knew this right after we acquired him. Coffey shelved. Patty Mills and Eubanks we're brought in to wave towels and be cheerleaders. And of course Lue wasn't playing Kobe, Miller, and Cam Christie... and if you ask me they should've got a look. We couldn't run a 6-7 man rotation against OKC who will throw 10-12 guys at us all game long. It was a wrap.
Tookalossfellbackcameback
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The reason the NBA is a "young man's game" is the grind...the time to recover when a playoff series goes every other day is too much in your mid 30's. You can see Steph going through it right now.
Harden was KILLING Murray early in the series and started started wearing down...Game 6 Lue plays Harden basically the whole game...Game 7 it's obvious he's cooked.
You can't ride Harden like it's 2015...when the bench imploded it sunk the team.
Harden was KILLING Murray early in the series and started started wearing down...Game 6 Lue plays Harden basically the whole game...Game 7 it's obvious he's cooked.
You can't ride Harden like it's 2015...when the bench imploded it sunk the team.
Facts, Lue laid it all on the table to get to a game 7, the Dunn benching for Batum and all. Harden laid an egg, but I get it. Dude was playing 40 minutes and entire 2nd halfs damn near the entire season. Even Batum was in the 30s minutes wise. We were slowly turning into JJ Redikk playing five guys only for entire half if the season continued. OKC would've smoked us.
Yea but not even that tbh. I mentioned it in the other thread: Kawhi is basically "Porzingis" status right now. KP is a #2 on a contending team but given that you have to bubble wrap him to ensure availability (and he'll still miss half the season), he's better suited as a luxury 3rd option with a hefty price tag.
Harden has been in that role for the last 3 years tbh while masquerading as a 2nd option. i.e. Since PHI, he'll win you 1-2 playoff games but his motor is gone. He's not 2019-2021 Harden anymore.
It's honestly time for LAC to hit the reset button.
This is all true, but what also did the Clippers in (or compounded the issue) is they didn't display veteran experience.
Games 1 and 4 should have been wins. You can't cough up those games with your aging vets and still expect to go the full 7-game grind against a team that's younger and stronger than you. Game 1 in particular was a bad, bad loss.
I normally would agree, but there's nobody out there. What they have to stop is bad GM duties from Lawrence Frank and Lue not playing/developing youngsters. Yeah we screwed up royally trading SGA, but its the smaller moves like choosing a washed John Wall instead of resigning Hartenstein, and then John Wall is released before the all star break. You bring in Harden but PJ Tucker is attached the trade and b*tches about playing time and Ty Lue shelves Kobe Brown and gives minutes to Tucker. You let Moussa Diabate walk and sell the fanbase on Mo Bamba instead and he's released at all star break. You had two dogs in KPJ -who backed up Harden and kept his minutes in the 30 range- and TMann and replace them with dear in the headlights Bogdan and an unplayable Ben Simmons. etc. etc. etc. That's the sh*t this team has to stop doing. You got the core for another year or two, do right by them and stop name chasing washed players.
When you look at someone like DEN's Braun, a mild mannered lookin white guy that's punking all of LAC's veteran role players and is basically a star in his own role... yea you gotta wonder whether LAC could've developed one of their young guys into that during these last 3-4 years. So i get where you're coming from. I'm just not sure you guys got another year.
KFBF
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Mann was given every opportunity imaginable and never put it together. Not even going to talk about all the chucking bums that have passed through this team.
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KillerB88
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Harden has been doing these disappearing acts for almost a decade now. Stop.