I'm Sorry - Randy Moss is the best I have ever seen, and it's not close.

[djthegreat88]

1. Championships in football equate to team sports. Rice won most of his titles in a pre salary cap pre free agent era where great players stayed together for most of their careers. he also went from Montana to Steve Young and Bill Walsh was his coach which brought a revolutionary offense to the NFL.

2. If you're the most talented and most feared...... How does that not make you the best?

3. Randy Moss is only an inch shorter and he's faster. He can make every catch Johnson can make. And he's caught more TD's.

Randy Moss forced teams to create new coverage's and they still couldn't stop him. He was a WR on two of the top 3 most prolific offenses of all time. The only thing Rice has over any other WR's is longevity. He was able to put up numbers over a longer period of time. Toward the end of Moss career he was basically used as a decoy, even in San Fran while Rice was able to go to teams that made it a goal to get him the ball.

Moss career is too inconsistent to be the best ever. Taking plays off, not going over the middle, character issues affecting team

Moss has played on some loaded teams too. Starting your career playing next to cris carter, having robert smith in the backfield, cunningham as qb. Prime Culpepper with some quality coaches dennis green, billick, linehan, later belicheick. He did not have a calvin johnson experience with dan orlovsky, kitna, stanton, washed up culpepper, and young stafford throwing him the ball with no running game to speak of. Played on the 16-0 loaded pats team. Unlike calvin, moss has had opportunities to be a champion.

Moss is faster than calvin but calvin is an inch taller and 25-30 lbs heavier. Calvin is also not afraid to go over the middle and has no character issues. If he stays healthy, he will probably be considered 2nd best wr ever when he is done. Calvin is also double and triple teamed and teams still cant stop him and that is with stafford inaccurate ass at qb

Reggie bush, sproles, or cj spiller are more feared/ talented than players like matt forte or marshawn lynch but they are not considered a better running backs/football players. They just possess the ability to take it to the house at any moment. Moss was a freak. No wr took the top of a defense like him but other parts of his game were lacking

Rice is goat. There should be no argument. There is nothing he hasn't accomplished as an nfl player.

 

[Admiral Ackbar]

West coast offense relied on quick slants and WR's catching the ball in stride.

I know, I'm a 9er stan.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Moss career is too inconsistent to be the best ever. Taking plays off, not going over the middle, character issues affecting team

Moss has played on some loaded teams too. Starting your career playing next to cris carter, having robert smith in the backfield, cunningham as qb. Prime Culpepper with some quality coaches dennis green, billick, linehan, later belicheick. He did not have a calvin johnson experience with dan orlovsky, kitna, stanton, washed up culpepper, and young stafford throwing him the ball with no running game to speak of. Played on the 16-0 loaded pats team. Unlike calvin, moss has had opportunities to be a champion.

Moss is faster than calvin but calvin is an inch taller and 25-30 lbs heavier. Calvin is also not afraid to go over the middle and has no character issues. If he stays healthy, he will probably be considered 2nd best wr ever when he is done. Calvin is also double and triple teamed and teams still cant stop him and that is with stafford inaccurate ass at qb

Reggie bush, sproles, or cj spiller are more feared/ talented than players like matt forte or marshawn lynch but they are not considered a better running backs/football players. They just possess the ability to take it to the house at any moment. Moss was a freak. No wr took the top of a defense like him but other parts of his game were lacking

Rice is goat. There should be no argument. There is nothing he hasn't accomplished as an nfl player.

Again... If you give Moss Montana and Young for the majority of his career does he put up better numbers? Cunningham was at the end of his career when Moss came. Moss put up all world numbers as a rookie. 17 TD's. And Cullpepper was garbage. What did he do without Moss in the lineup? Nothing.

Why do nikkas act like Moss never went over the middle? He caught 982 passes. All of them were go routes? 156 TD's. All of them were go routes?

And Moss was never double and triple teamed? Did you not watch the OP's video

 

[Street Knowledge]

People act like daunte was trash tho

 

[Hov]

Show us these game tapes? People coming into this thread talking about Moss dont go across the middle and dont block and we have videos of him in this thread going across the middle and blocking lmaO

People act like daunte was trash tho

Daunte was trash. No QB that Moss played with other than Brady made the Pro Bowl after Moss.

Moss is the leading scorer on the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history.

Moss first season with a HOF QB, after the age of 30 btw, he broke the NFL record for TDs in a season. Rice played with 2 str8 NFL HOF QBs his ENTIRE CAREER and a NFL MVP when he got older!!!!

Oh quick Moss story - I have a friend who played with him is end of his career in his 2nd stint in Minnesota. He said he was the best he ever saw. Dude was like 34 or something, and he said he NEVER stretched. Like never. He said old ass Moss literally puts on his pads and plays against 21 year old world class atheltes with no stretching or warming up. And he also said he caught everything in practice with one hand. I couldnt make this up lol.

NCAA records[edit]
Division 1-AA – Regular season[edit]

• Most games with a touchdown reception in a season – 11 (1996)
• Most consecutive games with a touchdown reception in a season – 11 (1996)
• Most receiving yards gained by a freshman in a season – 1073 (1996)
• Most touchdown receptions caught by a freshman in a season – 19 (1996 – record for all NCAA divisions)

Division 1-AA – Playoffs[edit]

• Most touchdown receptions in a single game – 4 (vs. Montana, Dec. 21, 1996)
• Most yards receiving in a single game – 288 (vs. Delaware, Nov. 30, 1996)
• Most touchdown receptions in a tournament – 9 (4 games in 1996)
• Most yards receiving in a tournament – 636 (4 games in 1996)

NFL records[edit]

• Most touchdown receptions in a season – 23 (2007)
• Most touchdown receptions by a rookie in a season – 17 (1998)
• Most seasons with 17 or more touchdown receptions – 3 (1998, 2003, 2007)
• Most seasons with 16 or more touchdown receptions – 3 (1998, 2003, 2007)
• Most seasons with 11 or more touchdown receptions – 8 – tied with Jerry Rice
• Most seasons with 10 or more touchdown receptions – 9 – tied with Jerry Rice
• Most games in a season with at least 2 touchdown receptions – 8 (2007)
• One of two players to have 1,600+ receiving yards and 16+ receiving touchdowns in a season (2003), the other being Calvin Johnson (2011)
• Most yards receiving in a Pro Bowl game – 212 (2000)
• Most touchdowns scored in first 10 games with a new team – 16 (2007)
• Most 1,200+ yard receiving seasons to start a career – 6 (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
• Moss has averaged at least one receiving touchdown per game played in four different seasons: 1998 (17 TDs in 16 games), 2003 (17 in 16), 2004(13 in 13), and 2007 (23 in 16)[89]
• At the end of the 2008 season, Moss averaged 12.3 receiving TDs per season
• Four 100+ yard games in his first four games with a new team in 2007
• Youngest player in NFL history to record his 100th receiving touchdown – (29 years and 235 days)
• Youngest player in NFL history to record his 120th receiving touchdown – (30 years, 313 days)
• Most receiving yards before 30th birthday - 10,700
• Most TD receptions before 30th birthday - 101
• Youngest player to reach 6,000 career receiving yards (25 years and 270 days)
• Fastest player to reach 5,000 career receiving yards – 59 games (broke record of 61 games by Jerry Rice)
• Highest career yards per catch average for any player with 900+ receptions – 15.6 yards per reception
• Youngest player to have 3 touchdown receptions in a game (21 years, 286 days; later broken by Rob Gronkowski)

 

[Street Knowledge]

Show us these game tapes? People coming into this thread talking about Moss dont go across the middle and dont block and we have videos of him in this thread going across the middle and blocking lmaO


Daunte was trash. No QB that Moss played with other than Brady made the Pro Bowl after Moss.

Moss is the leading scorer on the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history.

Moss first season with a HOF QB, after the age of 30 btw, he broke the NFL record for TDs in a season. Rice played with 2 str8 NFL HOF QBs his ENTIRE CAREER and a NFL MVP when he got older!!!!

Oh quick Moss story - I have a friend who played with him is end of his career in his 2nd stint in Minnesota. He said he was the best he ever saw. Dude was like 34 or something, and he said he NEVER stretched. Like never. He said old ass Moss literally puts on his pads and plays against 21 year old world class atheltes with no stretching or warming up. And he also said he caught everything in practice with one hand. I couldnt make this up lol.

NCAA records[edit]
Division 1-AA – Regular season[edit]

• Most games with a touchdown reception in a season – 11 (1996)
• Most consecutive games with a touchdown reception in a season – 11 (1996)
• Most receiving yards gained by a freshman in a season – 1073 (1996)
• Most touchdown receptions caught by a freshman in a season – 19 (1996 – record for all NCAA divisions)

Division 1-AA – Playoffs[edit]

• Most touchdown receptions in a single game – 4 (vs. Montana, Dec. 21, 1996)
• Most yards receiving in a single game – 288 (vs. Delaware, Nov. 30, 1996)
• Most touchdown receptions in a tournament – 9 (4 games in 1996)
• Most yards receiving in a tournament – 636 (4 games in 1996)

NFL records[edit]

• Most touchdown receptions in a season – 23 (2007)
• Most touchdown receptions by a rookie in a season – 17 (1998)
• Most seasons with 17 or more touchdown receptions – 3 (1998, 2003, 2007)
• Most seasons with 16 or more touchdown receptions – 3 (1998, 2003, 2007)
• Most seasons with 11 or more touchdown receptions – 8 – tied with Jerry Rice
• Most seasons with 10 or more touchdown receptions – 9 – tied with Jerry Rice
• Most games in a season with at least 2 touchdown receptions – 8 (2007)
• One of two players to have 1,600+ receiving yards and 16+ receiving touchdowns in a season (2003), the other being Calvin Johnson (2011)
• Most yards receiving in a Pro Bowl game – 212 (2000)
• Most touchdowns scored in first 10 games with a new team – 16 (2007)
• Most 1,200+ yard receiving seasons to start a career – 6 (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
• Moss has averaged at least one receiving touchdown per game played in four different seasons: 1998 (17 TDs in 16 games), 2003 (17 in 16), 2004(13 in 13), and 2007 (23 in 16)[89]
• At the end of the 2008 season, Moss averaged 12.3 receiving TDs per season
• Four 100+ yard games in his first four games with a new team in 2007
• Youngest player in NFL history to record his 100th receiving touchdown – (29 years and 235 days)
• Youngest player in NFL history to record his 120th receiving touchdown – (30 years, 313 days)
• Most receiving yards before 30th birthday - 10,700
• Most TD receptions before 30th birthday - 101
• Youngest player to reach 6,000 career receiving yards (25 years and 270 days)
• Fastest player to reach 5,000 career receiving yards – 59 games (broke record of 61 games by Jerry Rice)
• Highest career yards per catch average for any player with 900+ receptions – 15.6 yards per reception
• Youngest player to have 3 touchdown receptions in a game (21 years, 286 days; later broken by Rob Gronkowski)

Didnt he hurt his knee and was never the same?

From 00-04 Daunte Averaged 3700 Yards/25 TD's/92 Passer rating

 

[True Weltch Media]

Again... If you give Moss Montana and Young for the majority of his career does he put up better numbers? Cunningham was at the end of his career when Moss came. Moss put up all world numbers as a rookie. 17 TD's. And Cullpepper was garbage. What did he do without Moss in the lineup? Nothing.

Why do nikkas act like Moss never went over the middle? He caught 982 passes. All of them were go routes? 156 TD's. All of them were go routes?

And Moss was never double and triple teamed? Did you not watch the OP's video

He was scared of hits over the middle. He did go but he was reluctant to run those routes especially late in his career. Rice made a living off eating all over the field . Didn't matter he could do it all. Moss was doubled up but so was rice. Rice's career receptions and touchdowns dwarfs randy moss numbers . There's a reason moss was bounced around the league and traded/released over and over again. I like moss but y'all hype him up to be the goat it's rice And it's not even close. Everyone else is fighting for second place. Jerry rice was the perfect receiver. Moss could of been but he had a number of issues that prevents him from being the GOAT receiver. He don't have the stats. He don't have the rings. He don't have the playoff performances .And hes had a number of character / mental issues that keep him from being the all time top receiver, greatest talent ever but failed to live up to his max potential

 

[who_better_than_me]

Moss is the best. I never dreaded the cowboys going up against one player like i did when I seen Minnesota on the schedule.

I seen pretty much all 49ers postseason games with rice and even in the whiffs team weren't gameplanning for rice like they did moss. Mosss should've had a star on his helmet.

Megatron doing his thing though and might surpass Moss sooner than I thought.

 

[djthegreat88]

Again... If you give Moss Montana and Young for the majority of his career does he put up better numbers? Cunningham was at the end of his career when Moss came. Moss put up all world numbers as a rookie. 17 TD's. And Cullpepper was garbage. What did he do without Moss in the lineup? Nothing.

Why do nikkas act like Moss never went over the middle? He caught 982 passes. All of them were go routes? 156 TD's. All of them were go routes?

And Moss was never double and triple teamed? Did you not watch the OP's video

When did i ever say moss wasn't double or triple teamed? I just said megatron was too. What great wr has never had a quality qb? I cant fault rice for playing with great qbs.
Culpepper before the injury was no scrub.
156 to 208 TDs, 982 catches to 1549 catches, 0 superbowl victories to 3. How is moss better? Because he was more fun to root for? Moss sabotaged his own career. He could have been the goat but he was just too much of a diva

 

[True Weltch Media]

Y'all ain't even mention Moss on the 49ers and his no show in the Super Bowl against the Ravens when he played for the 49ers. Rice at 40 years old with no Qb was ballin but y'all wanna hail mr. No show as the GOAT FOH. His stats in 2007 with the patriots during the playoffs were mediocre as well.


Again effort and attitude have always been his biggest problems. Something that Rice never had issues with .

Moss was targeted five times and had two receptions for 41 yards. He was a non-factor in the game. Scratch that, he was a non-factor towards a 49ers victory. But he was one of the MVPs for the Baltimore Ravens, that's for sure.

Three of the passes that went Moss' way could have gone differently. The first one was the most erroneous, as the ball went over his head and into the arms of Baltimore safety Ed Reed. That turnover set the tone for a terrible first half for the 49ers.

The problem with that pass? It went over Moss' head, but not over his reach. We had just saw Michael Crabtree leap for a catch over the middle and be successful doing so. Kaepernick should have realized that Moss wasn't Crabtree, and wouldn't bother himself with petty nuisances likeextending his arms.

When it comes to the other two passes coming his way, they were also bad. One was a pass that he didn't even try to go back for, letting the Baltimore cornerback overstep him by several paces. Moss was already walking off the field before it was even clear that the ball wasn't intercepted. The other pass was slightly off target - inside instead of outside, and Moss just shrugged it off and didn't adjust for it.

Moss didn't try on Sunday, whether he really wanted a Super Bowl ring or not. He looked emotional at the end of the game, but then again, he did before this season started, too. What matters is his attitude on the field, during every single route that he runs.

He wants to be the greatest ever, but he was essentially a non-factor in the Super Bowl. He said he didn't like his place in the 49ers' offense, and yet when given some more opportunities, he came up very short.

 

[True Weltch Media]

• Rice helped make Montana and Young great for those of y'all that think jerry only put up numbers cus of his qbs .
  
  Rice caught 22 of Montana's career best 31tds & Rice only played 12 games. In their 1st SB together, Rice had 215 of Joe's 357yds & in their 2nd SB Rice had 1/2 of Joe's yds & caught 3 of his 5tds. When Joe went to KC the most tds he had in a season was 16. Rice was also a way more effective runner on end arounds throughout his career too. When Rice was 40 he had over 90 catches & over 1200yds w/a mediocre QB who had never put up HOF #s his entire career & he lead the team in receiving in the SB & had a 48yd td catch AT AGE 40 dude. Are u serious? Rice also played in a very balanced offense that didn't throw the ball a ton & he still avgd more yds, tds, yac & receptions per season than Moss & he has longer td scores than Mr. Deep Threat as well. Moss went to 2 SBs & was virtually a non factor in both while Rice was the best player on his team & made a huge impact in all 4 of his appearances. 4 SB appearances, 8tds & 589yds 3wins & a SB MVP. Mr. I play when I wanna play is faster, can run really fast & could jump high but his inability to elevate his game puts him light yrs behind Rice. As a matter of fact, Culpepper's best season by far was when Moss was injured & only had 49 catches. Daunte threw for 4700yds & 39tds to just 11ints that yr. No QB ever had a better season w/o Rice than w/him. Rice's 4.6 40 is irrelevant when he has a 96yd receiving td & several rec tds of 80yds or more compared to Moss 1 rec td of 80yds or more.

 

[YouMadd?]

2007 playoffs

JAX ~~ 1 reception 14 yards

SDG ~. 1 reception 18 yards

NYG~~ 5 receptions 62 yards (1 TD)

Yup his touchdown in the Super Bowl tied the game when they really needed it... They obviously didn't need him to score a lot to make it to the Super Bowl...

Now go pull up the stats from all of his playoff games...

 

[YouMadd?]

Yeah, "not even close"... In the title is not correct at all

 

[YouMadd?]

On May 15, 2007, more than two weeks after the trade to New England, Moss was criticized by his former Raiders coaches. His former offensive coordinator, Tom Walsh said Randy was a great receiver, but he lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career." Walsh also reported that Moss told him, "'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.'"



Chris Carter former teammate on Randy Moss

"The one thing you have to address with Randy Moss is not a conditioning thing," Carter said. "It's not an age thing. It needs to be addressed. I believe it's the elephant in the room. It's that thing called quit.

"And Randy, not like any other superstar I've met, he has more quit in him than any of those other players. So I need to address that. That's what [New England Patriots coach Bill] Belichick did when he brought him over from Oakland. He told him he wasn't going to have it.

"But Randy, when things don't go well, like no other player I've ever been around or associated with, he has a quit mechanism in him that's huge. That needs to be addressed before he signs with any team."

Lol you quoted two people that hate Moss (one scrub coach who lost his job on a shytty team, an we all know about the problems Cris had with Randy around the time he made that comment) like I said, keep running with false narratives that didn't exist...

 

[Jplaya2023]

For the few lonely souls that don’t believe Tim Brown belongs in Canton, I’ve compiled a list. A list that should debunk any inclination that Brown deserves to wait another year to enter the Hall of Fame.

Yes, it’s a travesty that he’s not been voted in already.

And it’s for that reason I’m compelled to make my case for “Touchdown Timmy.” Here are 81 reasons why number 81 needs to be voted into the Hall of Fame yesterday:

Brown still holds the record for consecutive seasons (10) with at least 75 receptions. Sounds like an easy record to break in this new era of the NFL, right? Maybe not. Most of the likely candidates aren’t even close. Brandon Marshall is the best bet – he has seven consecutive seasons with 75+ receptions. He’ll be 30 in March.
One of the reasons the aforementioned record will be difficult to beat? Durability. After his second NFL season was wiped out by a knee injury, Brown was active for 207 of his next 208 games with the Raiders.
Brown holds the wide receiver record (176) for consecutive starts. Counting playoff starts, that number climbs to 185.
Brown holds nearly every Raiders franchise receiving record including touchdowns (104 leads all Raiders RB’s and WR’s), games (204) and seasons (16) played, receptions (1,070), receiving yards (14,734), all-purpose yards (19,434), and yards from scrimmage (14,924).
Brown ranks fifth in career receptions with 1,094.
Brown posted nine season with 1,000+ receiving yards. That’s more than both the other 2014 wide receiver finalists: Marvin Harrison (8) and Andre Reed (4).
In 1988, Brown set the NFL rookie record for all-purpose yards, with 2,317.
Brown ranks sixth in career receiving yards with 14,934.
How many Hall of Fame receivers caught touchdowns from 11 different quarterbacks?
Brown was selected to nine Pro Bowls. Again, better than Harrison (8) and Reed (7).
Jerry Rice is the only wide receiver to be selected to more Pro Bowls (13) than Brown (9).
He’s tied for most consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdowns scored (11). Others are Marvin Harrison, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens, & Jerry Rice.
Brown didn’t have the luxury of a solid quarterback for most of his career. Rich Gannon was responsible for only 32.5% of Brown’s career receiving yards.
The other Raiders quarterbacks to throw to Brown? Here’s the list: Jay Shroeder, Steve Beuerlein, Jeff Hostetler, Jeff George, Donald Hollas, Rick Mirer, Billy Joe Hobert, Todd Marinovich, Vince Evans, Wade Wilson, and Marques Tuiasosopo.
Brown tallied 80+ receptions in three of his four full seasons with Gannon, but also achieved 80+ receptions in the six seasons prior to Gannon.
Brown’s HOF competition (Reed and Harrison) both accumulated stats with Hall of Fame quarterbacks (Manning and Kelly). Kelly is already in. Manning, of course, will be. Each spent 11 seasons with their respective HOF quarterbacks.
95% of Brown’s career receiving yards came after major knee surgery. Not a death sentence today, but three decades ago?
Brown is a member of the 90’s NFL All-Decade Team. How does a player named to the 90’s All-Decade Team not get into the Hall of Fame?
Three other receivers made the 90’s All-Decade team – all three are in the Hall of Fame (Rice, Irvin, Carter).
It’s high praise to be a member of the All-Decade team, but consider this – many of Brown’s best seasons didn’t come in the 90’s.
Brown’s 368 receptions outside the 90’s are 32 more than WR Lynn Swann had in his career. Swann was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2001.
The only HOF eligible player in history that can boast as many Pro Bowls as Tim Brown and has not yet been inducted – former Chiefs OL Will Shields.
Here are 9 wide receivers currently in the HOF, and how their career statistics compare to Tim Brown. Yes, these guys played before Brown, but how much better does he have to be?

Timmy B should most def be in the HOF. I'm glad reed got in, now timmy b is next along with arvin arrison