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Is it safe to say from your post that desegregation is one of the worst things that happened to black folks?

You trollin' me. :pachaha: Desegregation is just a false idol. People celebrate MLK day like the Civil Rights movement magically changed everything in the United States. For the most part, the labor rights and civil rights movement did not do much to help Blacks. Conditions in the innercity never really changed because the laws didn't challenge the economic power structure that was in place, some unwritten/some written.

The inner city was still dangerous, deprived of opportunities, poor and excluded from the majority of rights, privileges and opportunities enjoyed by whites and non-black minorities. (Except for Latinos in the South West)

Suburbanization and government subsidizing of white families as part of the housing reform programs following WWII hurt black people. So did keeping black people out of high paying industries that forced women to work as domestics and men to work as garbage men and low-end construction/factory workers. However, removing racial barriers in the 60s still didn't do much to change what most Black folks brought home at the end of the day. There is an entire history of blacks being kept out of progress in the labor movement and denied equitable treatment in unions and non-unioned companies as scapegoats to keep skilled white workers in line...and that history still affects the way that Blacks get treated today in offices and blue collar jobs--as least wanted employees with lower education rates and utility, from coming from a culture that Whites see as alien from their own, and prohibiting widespread employment of Blacks.

This mentality of keeping Blacks out as the Other is a vicious cycle. Under segregation AND desegregation, Blacks were denied opportunities in the North because of their economic status. In cities, this was justified by classifying Blacks as risks to loan money, since they didn't have government support or access to high paying jobs. This kept costs up to move out of the ghetto even if you were breaking your back in more than one job like working class whites....and even if you did move out, you faced violence and discrimination on a daily basis for moving into the "safe" lily white community that didn't want your sons near their daughters or your daughters playing on their streets. To make matters worse, since you had to stay in the ghetto, you didn't own where you live, you rented--because in most cases Blacks couldn't afford to nor did they have the trust of the banks to buy their homes. Whites owned that property, and charged you high prices because you couldn't go anywhere else.

When desegregation happened and you didn't have to go to the Black shoe store anymore and you could walk into Woolworths and Woodworth and Lothrop, your local businesses collapsed but that wasn't the direct cause in a decline of standard of living. Things were already bad, but now they were bad for different reasons. Your local owners had to compete with white-owned businesses, and kids were getting bused out to white schools where they still couldn't match up to their peers because their education was so far behind. Once again, you have another vicious cycle started by segregation that continues under desegregation that allows Whites to justify fukking over Black people for reasons based in economics.

Americans for the most part are not educated to understand issues of class.

This is why the Civil Rights Movement didn't magically improve education and wages for most Blacks in the inner-city. For the most part, it attacked social and legal values. Once MLK started talking about class and economics...he got shot. You can look at job statistics today and still see that Blacks are still graduating at lower rates, have a higher unemployment rate and poverty rate....and Whites look at this and think "Why can't they be more like Asians/us/ (insert model minority here)..." because even if they aren't racist they aren't brought up to think about issues of class in American society and how class and race unite to affect opportunities.

Blacks kind of have a grasp on it, but for the most part the community at large doesn't get how this combines into a culture of exclusion that elevates Whites and keeps us apart...and we participate in that suppression because we don't try to attack the problem in the right way...we feed into it with the way we talk about the Civil Rights Movement. The truth is, life in the innercity is not that much different for Blacks than what it was before desegregation. If anything's made it worse, it's the War on Drugs and the Crack Epidemic of the 80s.

Just think about before all of this economic, back door black law shyt happened, we had Black people running for Congress, getting elected to office, owning companies and shyt right after the Civil War. Within 30 years all of that was squashed when Whites in the South regained control of the political power structure and forced the North out of military occupation and instituted the KKK and repealed reparations and instituted Black Codes. The North just had its own kind of unspoken Black Codes with the backdoor economic barriers against advancement.



Tell it. EVERYONE lived in the inner city together at one point. The FHA gave subsidized loans to a lot of whites back then to move out of the city and into the suburbs - which at the time were a new concept. Susbidized is the key word here because whites and blacks were on a level playing field economically back then. These new suburbs started all white and were kept white through various reasons like, community ordinances, coventants amongst the homeowners & banks, block busting by the real estate developers and agents, redlining, or just by outright racism, violence and threats if a family attempted to move in. A lot of these cities, like Grosse Pointe, Warren, Royal Oak, Dearborn were Sundown Towns which deliberately kept blacks and other people of color out of these communities or allowed them to be there - only until sundown - or face fatal consequences. Most of them had signs which said "No N!ggers" :mjpls: or a siren would go off alerting it was time for "you" to go. They had better schooling, no crime, no drugs, more jobs - all the "bad sh!" was pushed to the inner city.

Back then, the easy way to weath was real estate and ownership. You could pass that down from generation to generation and your kids could eat off that. Them houses they own up north in Northen Michigan are worth millions now. It's hard to be a stable family economically when you live in low income housing. What you see now happening in Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, is the residue of these actions which happened decades ago (plus slavery, no voting/civil rights, poor education, poor economy, crack in the 80's, AIDS, the prison industrial complex) It aint by accident.


Co-signed.

Wealth passed down through families is a big deal. It's all economics, something that is taught and passed down from generation to generation, along with ownership of a home, education, etc...

There's a reason why people with educated parents are more likely to go onto higher education, people who own homes get favorable loans and tax laws, funding for schools is determined by the wealth of the local neighborhood...

Blacks can't benefit from most of that because they were historically denied that same access. Black people don't have wills and valuable networks to leave behind to their children. Contrast this to my girl's family (who admittedly I said before is a white Russian) she has, even despite the Cold War and shyt, generations of wealth and opportunity left for her by her grandparents who came to the US generations ago.

The only way my grandfather could own a home 60 years ago was by going to the bank, getting told he could have money if he built "everything but the roof" put the walls and everything up over 10 years and finally the old white men drove by and agreed to give him a loan. :comeon:

Now imagine if every white person's grandfather had to do this before they built a house?
 

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Straight to jail...I cross 8mile one time n went to jail for 45days for 2 bags of weed.if I was n Detroit they would have threw my weed away n kept it moving. I stay across 8mile now but I'm so close all I got to do is cross the street n I'm back n the city

:mjpls: U aint lying i got caught driving on a suspended L'z in Rochester Hills:damn: bytch gave me 60 days .

Downtown is slowly diversifying cause quicken and other companies offer tax credits and incentives for moving in the WSU area
 

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The only way my grandfather could own a home 60 years ago was by going to the bank, getting told he could have money if he built "everything but the roof" put the walls and everything up over 10 years and finally the old white men drove by and agreed to give him a loan. :comeon:

Word. This is why you have people who WILL NEVER move out of the city. "My grandaddy built this house." They put their blood, sweat and tears in it. It's all they had. I really cant blame them for it.

I think that's why they popped MLK because towards the end of his life, he was realizing with all the work they had done, the conditions were worsening. The civil rights movement didn't place economics at a high priority. Jim Brown was making major moves with his BEU organization because he knew it was the real key. Unfortunately, so did the FBI. lol

:myman: You puttin on a clinic in here. lol
 

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Word. This is why you have people who WILL NEVER move out of the city. "My grandaddy built this house." They put their blood, sweat and tears in it. It's all they had. I really cant blame them for it.

I think that's why they popped MLK because towards the end of his life, he was realizing with all the work they had done, the conditions were worsening. The civil rights movement didn't place economics at a high priority. Jim Brown was making major moves with his BEU organization because he knew it was the real key. Unfortunately, so did the FBI. lol

:myman: You puttin on a clinic in here. lol

It's exactly why (quick summary from wiki since I'm too lazy to go through my books):

In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the "Poor People's Campaign" to address issues of economic justice. King traveled the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would march on Washington to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol until Congress created an 'economic bill of rights' for poor Americans.[119][120] The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C., demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States.
King and the SCLC called on the government to invest in rebuilding America's cities. He felt that Congress had shown "hostility to the poor" by spending "military funds with alacrity and generosity". He contrasted this with the situation faced by poor Americans, claiming that Congress had merely provided "poverty funds with miserliness".[120] His vision was for change that was more revolutionary than mere reform: he cited systematic flaws of "racism, poverty, militarism and materialism", and argued that "reconstruction of society itself is the real issue to be faced".[105]:148–9

I was shocked to see everyday Americans finally starting to put 2 and 2 together during the last few years, but the economic crisis stimulated this in 2007. It took something like that to get a Black person elected to the US Presidency, and common folk talkin' about class and attacking the tax codes... I was :whoo: ...

Now, you tell most people this they think you're a conspiracy theorist, but that's just the way things go....

Prisoners of the American Dream was my eye-opener text...
 

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Give me a good reason why white folks would want to live with ignorant bums who are up to no good started making trouble in the neighborhood?
 

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man some houses in detroit are cheap as fukk! thinkin about jumpin on that shyt now, holding on to it untill hipsters decide detroit would be a "cool" place to live, and property value will skyrate


hipsters gonna be driving these shyts around the city
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man some houses in detroit are cheap as fukk! thinkin about jumpin on that shyt now, holding on to it untill hipsters decide detroit would be a "cool" place to live, and property value will skyrate

:usure: Thats gone be a long ass time ... taxes gone eat your pockets up
 

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man some houses in detroit are cheap as fukk! thinkin about jumpin on that shyt now, holding on to it untill hipsters decide detroit would be a "cool" place to live, and property value will skyrate

Be careful tho. A lot of houses are mad cheap because they were foreclosed on, you don't know what kind of back taxes you might have to pay.

You might think you're :win: when you buy a house for a few thousand until you find out that you are now responsible for the $30k in back taxes the previous person owed. :usure:
 

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Be careful tho. A lot of houses are mad cheap because they were foreclosed on, you don't know what kind of back taxes you might have to pay.

You might think you're :win: when you buy a house for a few thousand until you find out that you are now responsible for the $30k in back taxes the previous person owed. :usure:

:wow:


scratch that then
 

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Um...no. :comeon:


In hoods like Woodbridge, Cass and Brightmoor alone the general population and the white population has risen. White Folks got hit by the recession just as much as everyone else...living in the burbs isn't cost effective for alot of younger people.

Infrastructure is cool to pay for when you have 6 figure job, family and kids but if you live alone, driving a few miles aint gon kill you. BUT with that new Whole Foods that's about to be in midtown, the Meijer's on State Fair grounds and the other one on Grand River and 6 Mile the jobs are coming back. Not to mention the places to purchase WITHIN the city. The problem is that the powers that be and the LEGISLATORS been holding up alot of things that coulda helped the city only because it wasn't "black" or it wasn't a part of their crew.

I don't know, I don't think people will be coming back to the city, that meijers where redford is, is gonna be hood as fukk..some nice houses by that part of grand river tho


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What city is that on the map that's immediately northwest of 8 Mile with all of the black folk?
 

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You Wont find one Black person north of 8 Mile, all Arabs and Europeans.

Me and mom had to stay in Hamtramack for a couple months when I was 13. Burned homes every other block

:ufdup: you don't know shyt about metro Detroit making asinine statements like that.
 

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The crazy part is that there are jobs in Southeastern Michigan, just not Detroit. My company is moving out of the fRen Center in 2013, probably to Southfield.

I commute from Ann Arbor so it makes no difference to me.

But Blue Cross Blue Shield recently moved all their jobs out of the suburbs back into the city. But there are still a couple completely empty buildings downtown tho, that shyt trips me out.


And no...white people will never move back to Detroit. It'll take someone buying up entire blocks of these big ass abandoned mini-mansions and setting up gated communities. Even then, there is no infrastructure to support residential neighborhoods. No schools, no grocery stores, no shopping.

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Fam you from Ann arbor all you do is drive down and go to work and go home.
White folks already started moving back in pockets. All them lofts and shyt they built around downtown is white folks. Cork town by the old tiger stadium is white folks and all around Wayne state. Compuware was offering crazy incentives for its employees to buy downtown and so was Henry ford.


No grocery store you say
With video: Whole Foods breaks ground in Detroit with emphasis on community, collaboration | Michigan Business | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Enthusiasm reigns at Detroit Meijer groundbreaking | Michigan Business | Detroit Free Press | freep.com


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