Is Donovan Mitchell a top 20 player?

[FishNGrits]

He not even top 45.

Nikka got wet b4 posting this horse shyt

 

[ISO]

I never said that they were plus defenders. I never even said that Mitchell had to be a + defender. I've always said that you don't have to be All NBA on defense, but at least be average enough to not be a complete liability on the floor that teams can exploit. For the majority of those players listed, Mitchell wouldn't necessarily be an upgrade nor make their teams better than they are now. Mitchell in Washington instead of Beal would have that team in the same position that they're in now. A team like Minnesota also wouldn't trade Ant for Mitchell as a lot of people think that Ant has potential to be top 3 player in the league.

Ironically enough, it's hilarious that you complain about me cracking jokes about Mitchell's defensive issues in the playoffs when you and other people essentially do and did the exact same thing when you bring up the Clippers series and how Gobert got exposed by Terrance Mann.

My man you ranked DeRozan and LaVine over Mitchell. Both those players by the analytics are just as bad as Mitchell on defense despite being tall wings.

In fact Mitchell was once a solid defender in his first two seasons or so. LaVine and DeRozan have been below average defenders their entire careers.

Mitchell is top 20 he is too impactful of an offensive player. He and Luka are the definitive playoff scorers of their generation. They are the only two that have put on transcendent displays with numbers that rival the best series by the LeBrons, Kobes, Jordans, Wades.

Mitchell is so impactful offensively and has anchored their O as Gobert has anchored their D. What makes Mitchell a special offensive player is that he is a three level scorer and the vast majority of his offensive is unassisted. On top of that shooters can eat playing with him because of his penetration and his ability to make kick out passes only a handful of guys in the league can make.

Donovan’s offense is more impactful than these guys like Edwards and Beal that you are mentioning.

Holiday is not better than Mitchell he is great in his role as a third option that man has never carried a team.

I brought up Gobert and Mann because that was a series where Donovan balled out of his mind.

35/5/5 against the 8th ranked Clippers defense put them in the drivers seat 2-0. In a series only 13 of his 105 field goals were assisted and he took turns baking Batum, Kawhi, PG-13, Jackson, Kennard, Zubac anyone they put on him. They lost that series largely on Gobert’s inability to close out—his lack of mobility.

 

[Kang Deezy]

not a chance. He’s super overrated

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

My man you ranked DeRozan and LaVine over Mitchell. Both those players by the analytics are just as bad as Mitchell on defense despite being tall wings.

In fact Mitchell was once a solid defender in his first two seasons or so. LaVine and DeRozan have been below average defenders their entire careers.

Mitchell is top 20 he is too impactful of an offensive player. He and Luka are the definitive playoff scorers of their generation. They are the only two that have put on transcendent displays with numbers that rival the best series by the LeBrons, Kobes, Jordans, Wades.

Mitchell is so impactful offensively and has anchored their O as Gobert has anchored their D. What makes Mitchell a special offensive player is that he is a three level scorer and the vast majority of his offensive is unassisted. On top of that shooters can eat playing with him because of his penetration and his ability to make kick out passes only a handful of guys in the league can make.

Donovan’s offense is more impactful than these guys like Edwards and Beal that you are mentioning.

I brought up Gobert and Mann because that was a series where Donovan balled out of his mind.

35/5/5 against the 8th ranked Clippers defense put them in the drivers seat 2-0. In a series only 13 of his 105 field goals were assisted and he took turns baking Batum, Kawhi, PG-13, Jackson, Kennard, Zubac anyone they put on him. They lost that series largely on Gobert’s inability to close out

I literally said long term I’d take Mitchell over Derozan

Mitchell literally would not be an upgrade over Lavine in Chicago and you’d be lying if you sat here and said otherwise. Even Mitchell in place of Derozan wouldn’t be an upgrade necessarily as Derozan literally had an All NBA year. He was not better this year than Derozan.

 

[Jermio]

Nikka got wet b4 posting this horse shyt

John Wall is better than Donovan Mitchell. Do you consider John Wall top 40?

 

[FishNGrits]

He top 10 off offense alone
Y’all bugging

Edit: I ain’t mean to quote this 1

The only thing of consequence in that sentence is he's being rumored to go to a big market team - specifically the Knicks. This lol Knicks set up narrative is transparent as fukk bruh.

Never seen so much trashing of Mitchell till the prospect of him being a Knick came into the equation. From him not being worth it or haha they're trying to trade for him when they could have drafted him.

It's corny and weird.

the him not being worth it has more to do with Ainge being a complete ball buster when it comes to trades. He wants to fleece the knicks but has no fukking leverage. Ain’t no way spida is playing tank commander.

 

[Daniel.]

People shytted all over that Jrue deal and the Gobert deal when they happened because people didn’t feel like their games warranted the price tag …what alternative fact world do you nikkas be living in

I asked did they get are they top 20 threads, not did the trades get shytted on.

I asked did their status get questioned, not did the trade get shytted on.

I asked why it makes sense to question the superstar level of a widely considered superstar talent in this context when compared to Gobert and Jrue and the response I got was that Gobert and Jrue aren't considered superstars.

Read, nikka.

 

[FishNGrits]

John Wall is better than Donovan Mitchell. Do you consider John Wall top 40?

John wall not better then spida rn

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I asked did they get are they top 20 threads, not did the trades get shytted on.

I asked did their status get questioned, not did the trade get shytted on.

I asked why it makes sense to question the superstar level of a widely considered superstar talent in this context when compared to Gobert and Jrue and the response I got was that Gobert and Jrue aren't considered superstars.

Read, nikka.

My response literally answered your question. What more do you want? I can tell you haven’t been on this site in a long while even with your member date as a lot of these conversations have been on here a long while now. None of this is new.

 

[im not you]

mitchell is a hooper, would want him on my team anyday

29/7 in his first playoff series ever, knocked out prime russ and pg

might not be a #1 option for a ring but he wasnt the reason why utah kept flaming out

 

[ISO]

I literally said long term I’d take Mitchell over Derozan

Mitchell literally would not be an upgrade over Lavine in Utah and you’d be lying if you sat here and said otherwise. Even Mitchell in place of Derozan wouldn’t be an upgrade necessarily as Derozan literally had an All NBA year.

He would be an upgrade because he is a better offensive player than LaVine and DeRozan.

Ain’t no long term Mitchell is better than DeRozan ever was.

And again Mitchell has been a solid defensive player in the past when he had less of an offensive burden and was paired with guys like Rubio.

DeRozan and LaVine have been sieves their entire careers near the bottom of the defensive analytics year in and year out despite an extra 5-6 inches of height.

Harden’s is past his prime and is not better than Mitchell right now either.

 

[Jermio]

John wall not better then spida rn

We shall see.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

He would be an upgrade because he is a better offensive player than LaVine and DeRozan.

Ain’t no long term Mitchell is better than DeRozan ever was.

And again Mitchell has been a solid defensive player in the past when he had less of an offensive burden and was paired with guys like Rubio.

DeRozan and LaVine have been sieves their entire careers near the bottom of the defensive analytics year in and year out despite an extra 5-6 inches of height.

Harden’s is past his prime and is not better than Mitchell right now either.

For someone that whines about me bringing up defense, you sure keep bringing it up as the basis for your arguments as well

Harden is not the same player offensively, but his passing is all worldly enough that he’s elevating everyone around him. Mitchell isn’t that type of player to do that.

Derozan balled out this year and deserved that All NBA nod. He was better than Mitchell this year breh. Stop being fooled by raw numbers and look what’s actually happening on the floor.

 

[Left.A1]

I asked did they get are they top 20 threads, not did the trades get shytted on.

I asked did their status get questioned, not did the trade get shytted on.

I asked why it makes sense to question the superstar level of a widely considered superstar talent in this context when compared to Gobert and Jrue and the response I got was that Gobert and Jrue aren't considered superstars.

Read, nikka.

Why the fukk do you think the trades were getting shytted on if not for their status being questioned this playing dumb shyt that y’all dudes do on here doesn’t serve any purpose but making you look foolish tbh

 

[Marc Spector]

I see people saying teams should give up their future for Mitchell, but is he worth it? Would you rather have him long term over players like Zion, Ingram, Lamelo, Ant?

Giannis
Embiid
Jokic
Kawaii
Bron
Curry
Tatum
KD
Ja
Butler
AD
Luka
Klay
Kyrie
Jaylen
Trae
Booker
CP3
Dame
PG

Ant?
KAT?
Murray?
Harden?
Derozan?
Lavine?
Ingram?
Zion?
Lamelo?
Beal?

he better than Trae and Klay IMO and Lamelo is wild overrated on here.