IS GOD REAL?????

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

your right. I just use it to describe our creator. Could be a guy in a lab, in the sky or just the natural process that makes life. Does that god influence our lives and tries to stare us. No the irony of this is that the made up one with no evidence and countless myths have more influence over our lives if we believe in it or not. The greatest joke on mankind.

word. It pains me to know that there are tons of politicians making policy decisions based on their mythical beliefs.

Bruh what is the natural processes


Its simply phenomena and mechanisms that we human beings noticed in our limited capacity and frame of scope and we designate it the natural processes we decided that itwas a natural process for the time being until a better and clearer ecplanation comes along

Thats the beauty of science fam theres truly no such thing as natural processes just observable explainable and provable mechanisms events and phenomena that are then put forward in our perspective according to what our technology and understanding will mak es sense of it at that time. In 2000 years your conception of "natural processes"

We do know how alot of things work and function (our natural world I'm speaking of) its not like we're "guessing" about everything like the romans or earlier civilizations were when they had "Gods" that controlled all the natural phenomena seen in the world.

We know mountains are caused by two tectonic plates colliding together (not some god creating mountains), we know how it rains etc there is little we don't know when it comes to our physical world

We may discover new things in regards to uniting the laws of the subatomic world with the laws of the universe but these are the deepest and most confusing parts of our reality (the underlying mathematical laws of the universe) but as I said, we know how most things work.

Hope I answered at least part of your questions, if I missed something or didn't understand what you were trying to convey feel free to expand on your thoughts.

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

word. It pains me to know that there are tons of politicians making policy decisions based on their mythical beliefs.

We do know how alot of things work and function (our natural world I'm speaking of) its not like we're "guessing" about everything like the romans or earlier civilizations were when they had "Gods" that controlled all the natural phenomena seen in the world.

We know mountains are caused by two tectonic plates colliding together (not some god creating mountains), we know how it rains etc there is little we don't know when it comes to our physical world

We may discover new things in regards to uniting the laws of the subatomic world with the laws of the universe but these are the deepest and most confusing parts of our reality (the underlying mathematical laws of the universe) but as I said, we know how most things work.

Hope I answered at least part of your questions, if I missed something or didn't understand what you were trying to convey feel free to expand on your thoughts.

bruh the thing is we dont know how most things work or why they work that way which.is why were at their mercy and thays just on planet earth.

For example take something as simple as hurricanes we know the factors that can lead to hurricanes or earthquakes
And what effect they have but no one can tell you why Katrina happened in 05 rather than 06 when the conditions fod that same kind of storm in that same region exist every sngle year. Scirntists have put forward theories and explanations as to what caused it based on knowledgr of hurricanesa and the surrounding conditions at that time but they cant tell you why it happened and why it was that severe. In a 100 years they might be able to tell you why it happened om that exact hour at that.exact strength.


We know dark matterexists and have theories on what it roughly does but we really dont know what the fukk it rrally is
We know grnes mutate randomly and create specimen that are better or worse suitef for.certain environments but we have no idea what makes genes decide to mutate or ehat decides the genes that are even passed whether its random or whether its dictated by some emvironmental or geneticfactors that we dont know about

We can only put forward and keep testing accepting or rejecting hypotheses theories and laws on tiny sections of comcepts that are independent yet related random but orferly at the same time

B givr the ancients more credit the fact that they were surviving thriving ansd migrating means they clearly kneew how to test interpret and adapt their knowledge and tgemselves to that knowledge we re doing the same thing om a larger scale with better technology

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

bruh the thing is we dont know how most things work or why they work that way which.is why were at their mercy and thays just on planet earth.

For example take something as simple as hurricanes we know the factors that can lead to hurricanes or earthquakes
And what effect they have but no one can tell you why Katrina happened in 05 rather than 06 when the conditions fod that same kind of storm in that same region exist every sngle year. Scirntists have put forward theories and explanations as to what caused it based on knowledgr of hurricanesa and the surrounding conditions at that time but they cant tell you why it happened and why it was that severe. In a 100 years they might be able to tell you why it happened om that exact hour at that.exact strength.


We know dark matterexists and have theories on what it roughly does but we really dont know what the fukk it rrally is
We know grnes mutate randomly and create specimen that are better or worse suitef for.certain environments but we have no idea what makes genes decide to mutate or ehat decides the genes that are even passed whether its random or whether its dictated by some emvironmental or geneticfactors that we dont know about

We can only put forward and keep testing accepting or rejecting hypotheses theories and laws on tiny sections of comcepts that are independent yet related random but orferly at the same time

B givr the ancients more credit the fact that they were surviving thriving ansd migrating means they clearly kneew how to test interpret and adapt their knowledge and tgemselves to that knowledge we re doing the same thing om a larger scale with better technology

There is no "why" when it comes to natural phenomena breh. When certain physical conditions are met, x happens (X being whatever, hurricanes, a volcano exploding etc)

Yeah, we're not 100% sure of what dark matter/energy is or does, but that is one of the most complex things mankind has ever thought about, its okay to not know everything about it at this point.

Genes don't decide to mutate, they have no consciousness. But animals with beneficial genes are more likely to survive, and therefor those genes survive. Mutation can be caused by a lot of things

Gene Mutation Information - Ask.com

the ancients were indeed very intelligent when it comes to survival. could you imagine devoting your entire time to learning how to survive in the wild? You'd become quite good at it. But they had little scientific knowledge about the natural processes occurring in the world. They didn't have that luxury because they were worried about trying to survive day to day.

I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you're trying to make though. We don't know everything, but that doesn't mean God exists.

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

There is no "why" when it comes to natural phenomena breh. When certain physical conditions are met, x happens (X being whatever, hurricanes, a volcano exploding etc)

Yeah, we're not 100% sure of what dark matter/energy is or does, but that is one of the most complex things mankind has ever thought about, its okay to not know everything about it at this point.

Genes don't decide to mutate, they have no consciousness. But animals with beneficial genes are more likely to survive, and therefor those genes survive. Mutation can be caused by a lot of things

Gene Mutation Information - Ask.com

the ancients were indeed very intelligent when it comes to survival. could you imagine devoting your entire time to learning how to survive in the wild? You'd become quite good at it. But they had little scientific knowledge about the natural processes occurring in the world. They didn't have that luxury because they were worried about trying to survive day to day.

I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you're trying to make though. We don't know everything, but that doesn't mean God exists.

youre saying what im saying the only difference is you feel that we know how most everythigng works and I disagree

Fam those conditions csn be mst and a hurricand might not happen.those conditions could fall short several factors and a hurricane happens. Sciebtific explanations like I said will offer explanations based on our understanding of those phenomena but short of a theory and scientific law scientists will concede that they coyuld be wrong which is why you will always have competing explanations of the same lhenomena with the sameevidence by different scientists because unlike you they recognize that nknothing that is testable is concrete and must always be challenged. The fact that we can challenge any aspect of what we believe means we dont know hoe most things work. For example genes have no consciousness but they still act what we observe are the final specimen that hae certain genes that either suits them for survival or destruction in their envirinment but we chalk the process of the mutation itself and the transmission of the genes (not the selection of those with the genes by natural or sexual means) as random because we dont know exactly why they mutate or dont but further down tge line we could know after extensive research trial error studies peer reviees debates advancment in technology ect


with all that said my point is that it is extremely arrogant to say we know how most things work when we dont understand fully our own planet thatamounts to less than a speck of dust on a cosmological scale

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

youre saying what im saying the only difference is you feel that we know how most everythigng works and I disagree

Fam those conditions csn be mst and a hurricand might not happen.those conditions could fall short several factors and a hurricane happens. Sciebtific explanations like I said will offer explanations based on our understanding of those phenomena but short of a theory and scientific law scientists will concede that they coyuld be wrong which is why you will always have competing explanations of the same lhenomena with the sameevidence by different scientists because unlike you they recognize that nknothing that is testable is concrete and must always be challenged. The fact that we can challenge any aspect of what we believe means we dont know hoe most things work. For example genes have no consciousness but they still act what we observe are the final specimen that hae certain genes that either suits them for survival or destruction in their envirinment but we chalk the process of the mutation itself and the transmission of the genes (not the selection of those with the genes by natural or sexual means) as random because we dont know exactly why they mutate or dont but further down tge line we could know after extensive research trial error studies peer reviees debates advancment in technology ect


with all that said my point is that it is extremely arrogant to say we know how most things work when we dont understand fully our own planet thatamounts to less than a speck of dust on a cosmological scale

I guess we're going to just have to agree to disagree. We know damn near everything when it comes to the physical processes that take place on earth.

Even more astounding is that we know the laws that govern the large bodies in space (planets, asteroids, stars etc) we can predict the movement of astral bodies, galaxies, the effect of gravity upon those bodies, even the lifetime and cycles of stars, and tons of other stuff.

Just because you don't know what causes hurricanes doesn't mean the human race doesnt.

What causes hurricanes?

we know what causes hurricanes.

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

I guess we're going to just have to agree to disagree. We know damn near everything when it comes to the physical processes that take place on earth.

Even more astounding is that we know the laws that govern the large bodies in space (planets, asteroids, stars etc) we can predict the movement of astral bodies, galaxies, the effect of gravity upon those bodies, even the lifetime and cycles of stars, and tons of other stuff.

Just because you don't know what causes hurricanes doesn't mean the human race doesnt.

What causes hurricanes?

we know what causes hurricanes.

Fam You're missing my whole point.

Im trying to show you What we know isn't concrete. Because it's subject to change by the very fact of how we acquire that knowledge.
What we "know" is what we can prove at that time, and even then , that knowledge can be proven wrong by anomalies that we can't explain.

Let's Go back to the hurricane example.
It takes a certain combination of warm air, warm water, ect. to cause a hurricane. Even if Those conditions are reached to a point where theres an almost certain chance that it should happen, it might not happen.
Thats for a simple ass natural phenomena that we witness every single year on planet Earth B.
Think about deeper things that not only occur on this Earth but outside of it, do you think that we know how most everything works.

But Let's agree to disagree since you can't see that Laws and Theories (the most concrete most evidence back explanations in science) on how certain things work are modified, changed, and bended little by little every day or have pieces added, suggested or subtracted to them through a large process of studies, peer review and challenges until they are not the same exact law anymore. That very fact, which science itself is built on, shows that we don't know how most things work. We just have a nice understanding of the basics of a lot of things and we theorize and try to prove the rest and only time, available technology and what god wills can stand in our way of how far our knowledge goes

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Fam You're missing my whole point.

Im trying to show you What we know isn't concrete. Because it's subject to change by the very fact of how we acquire that knowledge.
What we "know" is what we can prove at that time, and even then , that knowledge can be proven wrong by anomalies that we can't explain.

Let's Go back to the hurricane example.
It takes a certain combination of warm air, warm water, ect. to cause a hurricane. Even if Those conditions are reached to a point where theres an almost certain chance that it should happen, it might not happen.
Thats for a simple ass natural phenomena that we witness every single year on planet Earth B.
Think about deeper things that not only occur on this Earth but outside of it, do you think that we know how most everything works.

But Let's agree to disagree since you can't see that Laws and Theories (the most concrete most evidence back explanations in science) on how certain things work are modified, changed, and bended little by little every day or have pieces added, suggested or subtracted to them through a large process of studies, peer review and challenges until they are not the same exact law anymore. That very fact, which science itself is built on, shows that we don't know how most things work. We just have a nice understanding of the basics of a lot of things and we theorize and try to prove the rest and only time, available technology and what god wills can stand in our way of how far our knowledge goes

how do you even know if thats true? You're telling me that if all the proper conditions are met for a hurricane to form that there is a possibility it wont? By definition if every proper condition that creates a hurricane is met, one will form. If I raise the temperature of water to its boiling point, is there a "chance" that it just wont boil?

 

[Broke Wave]

Manmade concept born out of an innate curiosity to explain the unknown...used for many purposes throughout history including love, generosity, hate, fear, and control.

I dapped this post not because I agree with it, but I feel this is an apt description of the "god" people believe in.


People believe in a God that influences their daily lives, their finances, football games and whether a coin lands heads or tails.

I believe in a creator God that is far out of our reasoning and comprehension and a justice based afterlife, after that I'm still finding the answers to my own personal questions.

I was raised in an Islamic household, and I haven't exactly abdicated that religion, just the traditional understanding of God, his judgement, and processes.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Yes, the Christian God is. Not all clergy members are rich. What if you have a small church?

Wonder if you'd be sayin dat if you were born in Iraq.

 

[Angel On The Rag]

nobody knows for sure, i do not believe, but i may be wrong.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Wonder if you'd be sayin dat if you were born in Iraq.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Fam You're missing my whole point.

Im trying to show you What we know isn't concrete. Because it's subject to change by the very fact of how we acquire that knowledge.
What we "know" is what we can prove at that time, and even then , that knowledge can be proven wrong by anomalies that we can't explain.

Let's Go back to the hurricane example.
It takes a certain combination of warm air, warm water, ect. to cause a hurricane. Even if Those conditions are reached to a point where theres an almost certain chance that it should happen, it might not happen.
Thats for a simple ass natural phenomena that we witness every single year on planet Earth B.
Think about deeper things that not only occur on this Earth but outside of it, do you think that we know how most everything works.

But Let's agree to disagree since you can't see that Laws and Theories (the most concrete most evidence back explanations in science) on how certain things work are modified, changed, and bended little by little every day or have pieces added, suggested or subtracted to them through a large process of studies, peer review and challenges until they are not the same exact law anymore. That very fact, which science itself is built on, shows that we don't know how most things work. We just have a nice understanding of the basics of a lot of things and we theorize and try to prove the rest and only time, available technology and what god wills can stand in our way of how far our knowledge goes

you raise very valid points and i get where you are coming from. My only thing is why choose Islam? By your own logic thoughts on God should change what makes you think this group of desert people got it right instead of jews? Christians?

 

[NoMayo15]

I believe in [...] a justice based afterlife.

If you don't mind me asking.... why?

 

[Patriarch]

There is no God but you.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don't identify with any religion,but I think it's very arrogant to say that all of this is by chance and we as humans can control and explain it all. The earth, universe, life,etc are too perfectly interwoven for there not to be any intelligent design. God probably isn't the guy we read about in religious books. But it's hard to believe a random explosion cause all of this.