Good post. Order exists, but it's temporary and only semi-stable. From a philosophical perspective, chaos has priority over order in the universe. All order emerges from a chaos and eventually returns to it.
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Good post. Order exists, but it's temporary and only semi-stable. From a philosophical perspective, chaos has priority over order in the universe. All order emerges from a chaos and eventually returns to it.
The only thing that stays constantly in order is the universe itself. Order for the universe is the fact that it exists. We will come and go but the universe has been and will always be in "order"
To claim that it is, with certainty, an illusion, than what with certainty isn't?
Certainly there is chaos, but is it chaos for what reason? Because we cannot comprehend the order, or because there is no order? I do not claim to know with certainty.
What about those ants getting sprinkled on? Is it chaos? Or is it representative of order? It may be chaos to the ants because they do not have the intellectual capacity to understand the order, and it seems more likely to be the case than the alternative that you provided because the example of ants getting sprinkled on doesn't seem to be something that is a rare occurrence. Can they even tell the difference between a sprinkler and natural rain?
If it is set to collide then there seems to be an order to this procession, allowing us to project it no? It wouldn't be a relevant example if you assumed that there are projections of a collision, and that they are based on chaos, why would any studies coming to a conclusion of randomness be seen as credible? Sure you can claim that this counter-argument is a linguistic spin on your choice of vocabulary, but I think the point holds regardless.
Irrational numbers in mathematics are anomalies in an otherwise well structured system. I have my suspicions on the validity of the number 0 though, as I see it as imaginary. Just because the system isn't perfect doesn't mean that it is chaos, necessarily.
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I just gave you reasons as to why I think it is an illusion, but it all comes down to the fact that the universe is indifferent.
Reason? Why would something indifferent have a reason?
And we do? Apes one tiny planet located in a tiny solar system in a tiny galaxy?
Anomalies? You are talking about two of the most important numbers/concepts found in nature. Something as "perfect" and "ordered" as a circle comes down to an "imperfect" ratio.
Not necessarily. But more evidence is out there to suggest that we have a better capability to than ants.
How are they not anomalies? When there are so many other numbers that aren't of the same nature. Infiniti-(however many anomaly numbers you want to count) is quite a high number.
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you prolly think jesus is gonna return in your lifetime
I hope he does. Even if he doesn't, I'm going to heaven so I'm good either way. God gave us a free ticket to heaven. All you have to do is accept it. If you don't that's on you.
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I think there is a divine element to the universe. You could call it God. It could be an energy or force. But an old white man sitting on a cloud who sends people to hell for being nonbelievers, gay or etc? No that doesn’t exist. I think if God does exist it is a cold and distant force as well. I fail to believe that a loving entity would allow slavery, genocide, rape, poverty or hunger to happen. Just my take
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I don't see God being distant
For one we have a star 94 million miles away that perpetuates the life of every plant on earth (photosynthesis )....
It is no more far fetched than a being that originated the sun could likewise perpetuate human spirituality
Secondly those things are proof of God in the sense that he created order for us to recognize him by. He has "traditiona" that he abides by for our recognition so to speak and the maintenance of the "balance" is one such tradition
When we transgress the balance you see the comprehensive corruption of earthly life
Likewise when individuals and communities maintain that balance through adherence to commendable ethos, we can see something amazing happen within the human condition. That then is proof of a Being who cared enough and was caring enough to ensure that those processes were included in his "traditions". After he created the selfless love of a mother...how then can we see him as distant
Even beyond that we see moments of great chance and fortune that falls outside of the scope of human agency...that is indicative of a near god
(Sahih International)
And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein
-Sura Qaf, Ayah 16
(Sahih International)
And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.
-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 186
(Sahih International)
And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 115
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And We have created above you seven layered heavens, and never have We been of [Our] creation unaware.
-Sura Al-Mu'minun, Ayah 17
You are correct in some ways. The sun does maintain life but it will also collapse and decimate all life around it at some point in the future. God in my mind is force of balance but it is also deeply unpredictable and capable of egregious acts of neglect and violence
Now, I don’t got all the answers breh, but honestly God is a tough subject for me. I’ve lived in poverty, been abused, struggled with mental illness and seen too much to believe that there is a perfect and loving entity out there. But I think something is still there. Just not what we think would be there.
And you’re a Muslim. That’s great breh but why would get let his children be persecuted and killed my Amero-imperialism? Make no mistakes I am a spiritual man but “God” or the idea of a god is not central to one’s spirituality. Again, just my take
Now, I don’t got all the answers breh, but honestly God is a tough subject for me. I’ve lived in poverty, been abused, struggled with mental illness and seen too much to believe that there is a perfect and loving entity out there. But I think something is still there. Just not what we think would be there.
And you’re a Muslim. That’s great breh but why would get let his children be persecuted and killed my Amero-imperialism? Make no mistakes I am a spiritual man but “God” or the idea of a god is not central to one’s spirituality. Again, just my take
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Also I agree that God is not an old white man in the clouds
That is an abomination of a,Christian tradition that failed to adequately account for its own teachings
In reality he is disassociated from any likeness or conception that,could possibly be attached to him by the human mind
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[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him yet He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
-Sura Ash-Shura, Ayah 11
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Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
-Sura Al-Ikhlas, Ayah 4