IS GOD REAL?????

[98Ntu]

Also I agree that God is not an old white man in the clouds

That is an abomination of a,Christian tradition that failed to adequately account for its own teachings

In reality he is disassociated from any likeness or conception that,could possibly be attached to him by the human mind

Interesting. If God is divorced from any likeness of man, why do we refer to God as he? “He” Could be female, multi gender or asexual. I’m genuinely interested in your take

 

[98Ntu]

Lol, I’m new here. Sorry I botched the reply

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

I'm gonna pray fajr and then reply to that question
Hopefully by that time you'll edit the quote thingy

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

Interesting. If God is divorced from any likeness of man, why do we refer to God as he? “He” Could be female, multi gender or asexual. I’m genuinely interested in your take

I think that's a matter of linguistic convention
In nearly all languages and cultures the make enjoys prominence over females. So it would have been quite odd for God to reveal a book and declare himself in the feminine.

As weird as it may be, you can separate masculinity from the male pronoun. The same cannot be done for the female.

But the Islamic cinception is not that god is asexual, but that he is beyond sexual. In other words sexual and gender categorization are simply dichotomies he allowed to exist as opposed to some inherent part of nature that he has to abide by

A similar notion is the fact that Allah refers to himself as We in the quran despite being ONE. Simply using the linguistic cobc3ntions in a way that stretches them to their limit to accommodate his limitless bring

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

You are correct in some ways. The sun does maintain life but it will also collapse and decimate all life around it at some point in the future. God in my mind is force of balance but it is also deeply unpredictable and capable of egregious acts of neglect and violence

Now, I don’t got all the answers breh, but honestly God is a tough subject for me. I’ve lived in poverty, been abused, struggled with mental illness and seen too much to believe that there is a perfect and loving entity out there. But I think something is still there. Just not what we think would be there.

And you’re a Muslim. That’s great breh but why would get let his children be persecuted and killed my Amero-imperialism? Make no mistakes I am a spiritual man but “God” or the idea of a god is not central to one’s spirituality. Again, just my take

I mean in my mind, god is so imprinted on the human consciousness that he has to be real.

Everything that human beings conceptualize has a reality and purpose at some point. In essence , nothing of fraudulence maintains on the earth because it's use would be questioned. At best it would remain on the margins and not taken seriously (fan fiction ).

I truly believe that the default human inclination is to believe in god. After that , we have various ways of kawaling ourselves out of this state. Because even atheists display a great deal of vestiture on something they consider imaginary.

Brother suffering exists and I won't give you some Christian narrative to kawal you. From the Islamic perspective, the world is a sign of the two ultimate abodes (hell or heaven ) for the everlasting soul. I mean if God can create a substance (lsd and percocet ) That can induce absolute euphoria with one tablet drop, would her not easily create a realm where the very atmosphere is made up of that substance. Likewise, is he not able to replicate the creation of the fear you feel where you to be on the edge of a cliff of a lava.

I think part of your reluctance towards god is the fact that the idolatrous Christian concept of an anthropomorphic god is subtly inserted in your brain and you're imagining that to be God during your discourse
Secondly, I think if we are able to "theoretically" question his seeming moments of absence then we should theoretically acknowledge his moments of magnanimity. For example , we eat food that tastes good instead of needing shyt to feed us. We bust nuts that feel good instead of urine that reeks. We have love towards our children rather than being inclined to destroy them. All of those elements are reality and they show the indication of care on the part of a designer. For me, knowing that our existence doesn't have to have that is worthy of being grateful to that designer for my own design and the design of the exosystems that sustain me physically and socially.

 

[tmonster]

What we know isn't concrete

*he types casually on his cell phone that sends the signal to a satellite that uses the theory of relativity to keep precise geo-location and time and otherwise would actually be so off to be useless*

I'm out

 

[tmonster]

Define God
Define real

 

[Atlrocafella]

Who knows

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

*he types casually on his cell phone that sends the signal to a satellite that uses the theory of relativity to keep precise geo-location and time and otherwise would actually be so off to be useless*

I'm out

Thats a proof of God

That precision

 

[NoMayo15]

Thats a proof of God

That precision

 

[Strapped]

No op

 

[98Ntu]

Interesting. Your faith is deep and I appreciate that. But a lot of things are imprinted in the human mind like violence or even bloodlust. Just because it is in our mind does not mean it is good.

Perhaps my problem is not with God but religion?

Also We can believe in God but without the concept of hell, heaven, suffering or judgedment. Those are Human creations. You’re free to believe what you want, as am I. But we should both ask questions about our faith or lack thereof. I wonder all the time if my life had been absolutely horrible or completely perfect if my views would be different? Probably. Now why are your views so ardent?

I mean in my mind, god is so imprinted on the human consciousness that he has to be real.

Everything that human beings conceptualize has a reality and purpose at some point. In essence , nothing of fraudulence maintains on the earth because it's use would be questioned. At best it would remain on the margins and not taken seriously (fan fiction ).

I truly believe that the default human inclination is to believe in god. After that , we have various ways of kawaling ourselves out of this state. Because even atheists display a great deal of vestiture on something they consider imaginary.

Brother suffering exists and I won't give you some Christian narrative to kawal you. From the Islamic perspective, the world is a sign of the two ultimate abodes (hell or heaven ) for the everlasting soul. I mean if God can create a substance (lsd and percocet ) That can induce absolute euphoria with one tablet drop, would her not easily create a realm where the very atmosphere is made up of that substance. Likewise, is he not able to replicate the creation of the fear you feel where you to be on the edge of a cliff of a lava.

I think part of your reluctance towards god is the fact that the idolatrous Christian concept of an anthropomorphic god is subtly inserted in your brain and you're imagining that to be God during your discourse
Secondly, I think if we are able to "theoretically" question his seeming moments of absence then we should theoretically acknowledge his moments of magnanimity. For example , we eat food that tastes good instead of needing shyt to feed us. We bust nuts that feel good instead of urine that reeks. We have love towards our children rather than being inclined to destroy them. All of those elements are reality and they show the indication of care on the part of a designer. For me, knowing that our existence doesn't have to have that is worthy of being grateful to that designer for my own design and the design of the exosystems that sustain me physically and socially.

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

Interesting. Your faith is deep and I appreciate that. But a lot of things are imprinted in the human mind like violence or even bloodlust. Just because it is in our mind does not mean it is good.

Perhaps my problem is not with God but religion?

Also We can believe in God but without the concept of hell, heaven, suffering or judgedment. Those are Human creations. You’re free to believe what you want, as am I. But we should both ask questions about our faith or lack thereof. I wonder all the time if my life had been absolutely horrible or completely perfect if my views would be different? Probably. Now why are your views so ardent?

The ardency of my views stems from the fact that I have had numerous spiritual experiences with islam and the quran. It's not as vague as "the holy spirit washed Over me" but concrete occurrences that shook me to the core because they defied any rationalizations.

Secondly, I have seen the manifestation of Islam in my life and the life of every sincere believer. From my experience, sincere muslims are the most balanced people on earth. I have also seen the alternatives that the europhilia is pushing ad far as paganism agnosticism and atheism and I see that it has brought nothing but hypocrisy and suffering to their own lives and the lives of those under their dominion

I guess in short, I have seen life for what it is and I have no doubt that islam is the truth and it provides mankind a means of elevation in a reality that he cannot deny. It is the programming within the program and I for one am thoroughly enamoured with the ocean of secrets and lights that it holds.

I would rather follow that tha the whims of a people who love their dogs more than me and who tell me that a man putting his piece in doo doo is equivalent to my black struggle

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

I also believe that religion is a necessary element because it simply implies a way of life. Religion is a way of life and creed is belief. Even if you disavow god or the traditional religions, you still have to follow men and place them as the highest order of authority to some scale.
For me, I choose to deliver my intention to the one who created men and their concepts.

So I feel that we all have a religion

 

[tmonster]

Thats a proof of God

That precision

w...wh.....what?.......................why?