IS IT REALLY "HARD" TO BECOME A SURGEON?

[Rarebird77]

It is extremely sad that many don't believe they can be surgeons wi

1) Stop the bullshat...You don't need physics to cut a body...Cutting a body is a psychological and psychomotor thing...You don't need to think about it...With enough practice, you learn...

If you can thread a needle, you have the basic fine motor skills to learn how to hold a scalpel and make incisions...The rest is memorization and experience...

2) There is very little physics in medicine, and the physics that there is very BASIC...The average human being can understand it...

3) It is funny to me how some of you people are IGNORING THE FACTS that many medical schools a) DON'T require a science undergrad anymore...b) They don't ask for MCATs anymore...

4) Surgeons are just average humans who had an interest in that field...I respect anybody who is a surgeon for the fact that they were mentally strong enough to successfully jump over the educational barriers that society has erected...

But as far as knowledge and technique is concerned, any human being who is interested and has no nervous system deficits and muscular issues, can become a surgeon...

a) You master human anatomy and b) You practice technique on a cadaver....What is so hard about that? The hardest thing is going through years of memorization...And that is NOT even hard, it just a matter of interest and time...

How many rap lyrics have some of you memorized...If you replaced that nonsense with some really knowledge you will realize that you too could be a brain surgeon if you were INTERESTED in that field...

5) If you don't believe that, damn, you think low of yourself...Stop drinking the elitist Kool-Aid

PREACH!!

 

[Rarebird77]

you've convinced me breh
being and becoming a surgeon is not hard

Define hard.

 

[Floyd Pinkerton]

I have said the same thing about astronauts
good thread op

That is the dumbest shyt I've read in a long, long time.

 

[Moshe.]

Wrong. You can still do well in physics if you suck at reading and language because physics is spoken in the language of mathematics (1). If you're a good at math (a good problem solver) then physics should be a walk in the park (2). You also don't have to give up socializing to do well in physics because, as I mentioned before, physics is easy if you're good at math. In fact the most time consuming classes are those with lots of assigned reading (3)(bullshyt history classes, English Lit etc.).

#1 : Yes, because those physics classes I took only consisted of there being a bunch of math. Hell, the professors spoke entirely in mathematics. I don't know what I was doing reading all of the time.

#2 : Depends on the level really, if all you're doing is general physics/ or even calculus based physics I&II, alright. Probably won't be a walk in the park depending on the school as well. If you are going to a low-end college, then maybe, but a tougher school? Probably not.

#3 : I dunno what I was doing when we had to hand in research reports, and problem-sets, and on top of that lab reports. Must be mixing in my delusions with reality.

 

[HiphopRelated]

To summarize,
The stuff that it takes to master surgery is pretty much the same with mastering any skill that requires heavy memorization and psychomotor dexterity...

Everybody wants to believe that their profession is some how "more difficult" than any other profession...People want to feel special like they slayed dragons and climbed mountain everest with no supplies and Sherpas before reaching the promised land...

Coal mining is tougher than Surgery...

lol, this isn't trolling, this is just being a jackass.

So now you're now equating danger and skill, I know you're trying to milk the thread for everything it's worth but...seriously

 

[Moshe.]

I don't think medical school is terribly hard. At the same time just because I can do it doesn't mean everyone else can. I do believe more people, especially black males can/should pursue a career in medicine. I really wish I could figure out what I can do to make this happen.

Right now, I am thinking of dropping out of school to pursue a career in medicine. But I need to learn more such as, is it possible for certain students to graduate early? And, is fellowship a necessity for those that have completed residency?

 

[blackzeus]

How about you go try to become a surgeon right now and tell us whether it's hard or not

We all know OP can't read a book breh

 

[mortuus est]

interesting thread, i thought about being a surgeon once

 

[AMcV'88]

Andrew Schulz...is that you ?

 

[semtex]

Think debugging someone's body isn't difficult brehs

 

[Giselle]

Before we start, please remember, "hard" and "easy" are RELATIVE terms...

1) I understand from a social perspective it is hard to become a surgeon based on educational bureaucracy...

2) Let us put those barriers aside and say that we are in a hypothetical society with unlimited resources that are spread equitably among the people, what will make becoming a surgeon "hard" in this society?

3) Think about it, most people graduate high school at 18...Do an undergrad until 22...A typical medical school until 26...A general surgery residency at 30...

Why is this significant? Because there are other skills in this world that the average human being can never truly master if he/she starts training after the age of 25...

Try learning the piano or violin at age 25 and see how well you do...But most our surgeons start at about 25 and are still able to master surgery...

4) What does that tell you? Surgery is not relatively "harder" or "easier" than other skills that humans can acquire...

5) If you have interest, a sharp memory and psychomotor dexterity (like most average humans who are engaged in mental and physical activity), I don't see why somebody would neg rep me for stating that become a surgeon isn't as difficult as people make it seem to be...

No.

My sister is premed. She wants to be a plastic surgeon.

I really can't imagine her doing surgery on people knowing how she is. I wouldn't even let her babysit my child if they weren't old enough to talk. But she's in school for it. Getting good grades so far.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Think debugging someone's body isn't difficult brehs

Surgery isn't debugging...
It is more like opening your CPU, looking inside for broken parts and fixing them...

"Debugging someone's body" is more to do with Molecular Biology and Biotechnology, and that is much HARDER than Medical School...My first Degree was in Biochemistry with a Specialization in Molecular Biology and Biotechnology...

If you think Medical School is hard, FORGET about Biochemisty/Molecular Biotechnology...That shyt takes MORE thinking than Medical School (which is 90% PURE memorization)...

Molecular Biotechnology and Biochemistry you need to actually UNDERSTAND before you can even begin to memorize...

In medical school, you are told the heart is the mediastinum...You don't need to understand that fact, you just have to memorize it...Pure memorization...

If somebody fractures the surgical head of their Humerus, there may be damage to the axillary nerve and posterior circumflex humeral artery...The axillary nerve innervates the deltoid and teres minor muscles, and these muscles are responsible for flexion and lateral rotation of the arm...

So, if you know somebody has a fracture of the surgical head of the humerus, you may expect that he or she will not be able to elevate or laterally rotate the arm...

How will you perform surgery? You will be taught which area of the arm to cut through so you access the humerus...If you have a good memory and dexterity then how the heck is this "hard"...?

This is MEMORIZATION people...How many USELESS rap bars do you have taking precious space in your brain, get rid of them and memorize something that WILL actually improve your life...

 

[semtex]

Surgery isn't debugging...
It is more like opening your CPU, looking inside for broken parts and fixing them...

"Debugging someone's body" is more to do with Molecular Biology and Biotechnology, and that is much HARDER than Medical School...My first Degree was in Biochemistry with a Specialization in Molecular Biology and Biotechnology...

If you think Medical School is hard, FORGET about Biochemisty/Molecular Biotechnology...That shyt takes MORE thinking than Medical School (which is 90% PURE memorization)...

Molecular Biotechnology and Biochemistry you need to actually UNDERSTAND before you can even begin to memorize...

In medical school, you are told the heart is the mediastinum...You don't need to understand that fact, you just have to memorize it...Pure memorization...

If somebody fractures the surgical head of their Humerus, there may be damage to the axillary nerve and posterior circumflex humeral artery...The axillary nerve innervates the deltoid and teres minor muscles, and these muscles are responsible for flexion and lateral rotation of the arm...

So, if you know somebody has a fracture of the surgical head of the humerus, you may expect that he or she will not be able to elevate or laterally rotate the arm...

How will you perform surgery? You will be taught which area of the arm to cut through so you access the humerus...If you have a good memory and dexterity then how the heck is this "hard"...?

This is MEMORIZATION people...How many USELESS rap bars do you have taking precious space in your brain, get rid of them and memorize something that WILL actually improve your life...

 

[tmonster]

Surgery isn't debugging...
It is more like opening your CPU, looking inside for broken parts and fixing them...

"Debugging someone's body" is more to do with Molecular Biology and Biotechnology, and that is much HARDER than Medical School...My first Degree was in Biochemistry with a Specialization in Molecular Biology and Biotechnology...

If you think Medical School is hard, FORGET about Biochemisty/Molecular Biotechnology...That shyt takes MORE thinking than Medical School (which is 90% PURE memorization)...

Molecular Biotechnology and Biochemistry you need to actually UNDERSTAND before you can even begin to memorize...

In medical school, you are told the heart is the mediastinum...You don't need to understand that fact, you just have to memorize it...Pure memorization...

If somebody fractures the surgical head of their Humerus, there may be damage to the axillary nerve and posterior circumflex humeral artery...The axillary nerve innervates the deltoid and teres minor muscles, and these muscles are responsible for flexion and lateral rotation of the arm...

So, if you know somebody has a fracture of the surgical head of the humerus, you may expect that he or she will not be able to elevate or laterally rotate the arm...

How will you perform surgery? You will be taught which area of the arm to cut through so you access the humerus...If you have a good memory and dexterity then how the heck is this "hard"...?

This is MEMORIZATION people...How many USELESS rap bars do you have taking precious space in your brain, get rid of them and memorize something that WILL actually improve your life...

 

[skokiaan]

of course i mention besides unforeseen circumstances come into play. But ive been doing this 6 years now. Over 4k cases and believe me its not as complicated as you are making it out to seem. Surgeons walk in there like cowboys they think they are gods they slice and dice without a care. Im a Surgical PA now i get to start cases and finish cases when the DR feels like taking off early or says fukk it and wants to stand around. I did go back to school for 1 1/2 more years of in depth study. But i honestly dont use 85% of the shyt they teach you. Ive seen it all from nicked arterys and being covered in blood from face shield down too having lost patients because a incompetent Anesthesiologist was fukking around on a ipad not paying attention. I now work for one of the best Hospitals in the West trust me they wouldnt have me in the surgical unit if i didnt know what the fukk i was doing. I may not have MD at the end of my name but catch me handing out Ls to med students and residents that are just starting out. One more thing people are intimidated about this shyt especially black brown people. This bytch filled with Asians and whites we have about 4 blacks in whole OR staff. all other brehs just cleaning the floors and shyt and some of them seem smart but just scared. stay away from school and big money cause you scared brehs.

this is interesting, u convince people its easy and u been doing it for 6 years yet u boast about dishing Ls to students who are just starting outin a way u saying its not easy thats why despite all ur experience u still as good low level surgeons etc..and if it were that easy u would be working on getting that degree by now....and u not being clear about the work done wen planning the surgery etc...there is more to science than just handling sterile tools.