the kind of low-mental-investment garbage The Coli likes to debate about
Is it wrong to say tupac is as good as an artist as michael jackson
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2manyFCKNrappers
mentally i measure kilos
statues in germany, militant groups in Liberia and Congo using Pac to fuel their movements, murals in brazil, etcit took Pac 5 years to do that.
Do 4 year olds still wanna be Pac for Halloween or Michael Jackson? I have Godkids ages 3 to 10 and they are all MJ fans and know all of his songs by heart even the 3 year old. People love Pac but he doesn't have outright fans from every single generation even ones born wayyyy after his most influential period and death. My mom was a MJ fan at 7 and she's 52 my Godson is 3 and was born 3 years after Michael Jacksons death. When I'm playing music he always asks if I can play Michael Jackson.
PAC was nowhere close to being anywhere in the vincinity of MJs realm of stardom and influence.
Farrinto
Who's the best MCs? Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas
Well he is called the "King of Pop" plus he holds a world record for being the most successful entertainer of all time. If that's not the closest thing as an objective truth to saying that one artist is better than another then I don't know what is, at least when you have people arguing over which artist was superior. Pac was a very influential person and rapper/artist but the highest title he holds is probably being seen as the GOAT rapper (which isn't universally agreed upon).
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
Of course MJ appeals to young children...
But for real you gave an anecdote that means nothing
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
Yet...he still not as big as MJ
being a pop star will do that
2manyFCKNrappers
mentally i measure kilos
Of course MJ appeals to young children...
But for real you gave an anecdote that means nothing
It means that his music stands the test of time. The real test. Who's still listening and who's going to continue to listen. No shade but after this generation of Hip Hop heads are really old, nobody is going to be playing him like that. It's only this generation keeping his music alive on a wide scale.
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
i never denied that.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
When you make some of the claims you've made when asserting your opinion, you have to realize based upon your logic, there's artists out there who have outdone both.
What we're trying to establish is the criteria on what's considered better when it more than likely boils down to being subjective.
Whether you listen to an artist, band, or group negates your position. If you were talking to a Pac hip hop head who never really listened to MJ too tough, that doesn't erase MJ's contribution to music. You've been speaking in terms of absolutes which invites a lot of other artists who you may or may not listen to.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
I'm not saying MJ didn't have creative input. I'm say Quincy Jones was a legend back before Micheal was born. He isn't your run of the mill producer
Billie Jean's an undeniable classic and probably the MJ song I relate the most to but him beat boxing it during its conception really isn't impressive. Most credible artists do something of the sort if they can't outright play an instrument.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
Then Elvis is the King of Rock and Roll by that logic. There's no way to determine which artist is superior because they performed two very different types of music, with different intentions, and with different teams behind them. I really don't have a dog in this fight. Pac's not even my favorite rapper. But you need to be careful casually using terms like "the truth" or "I know."
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
Fact is that he had his hands all over the process of his music. Whether you find his input impressive or not doesn't matter.
Regardless who the producer was he always had his hands in the process of his albums.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
So do most credible artists.
It doesn't change anything. Ultimately, he was under the tutelage of one of the most important musical thinkers of all time.
If I didn't think that MJ had at least some iota of input, I wouldn't have entertained this conversation.
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
Tupac had dr dre at some point who produced arguably his biggest song. He's had other producers that's contributed to some of his biggest hits as well.
I just don't see how you can hold mj down because of quincy jones when it's clear as day he had his hands in the process of his albums with or without Quincy. I'm not gonna downplay a great artist`s input because they surround themselves with other top tier talent. Michael isn't the sole contributor of his music, but he's been the main reason why his songs are hits.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
Pac really didn't have Dre.
It wasn't like Snoop or Em.
Pac had Daz mostly for AEOM, neither for Me Against the World, and went to the producers that no one on Death Row took serious for the Makaveli project.
I'm not trying to diss MJ. I don't even know why the comparison was made. However, a large factor of MJ's best work was under the guidance of a musical genius. Quincy Jones.
Honestly, I feel like the two of them are both over-romanticized due to the nature of their lives and tragic deaths. I'm a fan of both. It's almost impossible to be a music fan and not have some level of respect for each artist's body of work.
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
Daz pretty much did AEOM, dre is a lazy crab
