Is KG underrated to you guys?

[VegasCAC]

Bob Petitt is the GOAT Power Forward tho

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'll just say this and ignore this thread afterward.

He managed to make the worst organization in the history of the NBA look good. Hall of Fame? Give that man the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Y'all enjoy your day.

 

[ISO]

KG was the only active player I've seen in an NBA game who had an overall rating of 99 so I'm going to say no

LeBron was a 99 at his peak in Miami.

 

[stepbackj34spud]

If somebody had KG as there #1 pf all time, I couldn't even be mad. Dude was arguably the most skilled big ever.

 

[ISO]

I feel like KG's antics overshadow his play and playing on Boston got him to Finals but people forgot about how good he was as the man on Minnesota...

KG was every bit as good as Duncan, he just had inferior coaching and supporting cast and he wasn't a great crunch time player like TD and Dirk. I always wondered how accurate that last claim is, I'm sure he was no Dirk but I doubt he was flat out bad in the clutch.

 

[SwagKingKong]

KG was a great defender and a high level offensive player. The ONLY flaw to his game was that he wasn't really a creator which is why he wasn't a crunch time guy. He was never strong enough to dictate what he wanted in the post which is what hurt his game. That said some of ya'll don't remember your NBA history. KG's ownership lost 5 yes 5! first round picks. Not via trades to get vets, just straight got em took because they made an illegal, secret deal to sign Joe Smith (yes JOE SMITH)! to an $80 mil plus extension. So during the prime of KG's career his team not only couldn't draft potential rotation guys in the 20s, they had nothing to trade to add help. No other team dealt with that (their fault) but no other star was ever in a situation where his team had NO picks for 5 years to give him help. Even still the wolves went to the playoffs year after year just off of KGs back. The 1 year where he had All Star caliber teammates they went to the WCF and had a real shot at the Lakers before they lost Cassell (their 2nd best player) AND his backup T Hud and had to start Fred freaking Hoiberg at the point. KG had almost no real help most of his career. Wally SZCwhatever was a spot up shooter, Googs was meh and that was it

The cruch time thing is just a myth because his teams were so terrible.

For example, he lead the Celtics in scoring, 4th quarter scoring and clutch scoring (2 mins or less) during their 08 championship run.

A couple of years back I went through clutch numbers and he ranked just as high as his peers if not higher (if anything, those numbers showed Kobes inefficiency in the clutch).

Otherwise, your post is good. The Wolves were probably the most terribly ran team throughout a decade. They lost multiple 1st rounders as you said and also made poor decisions such as letting Billups go to double down on a broken down Terrell Brandon who retired a year later. Their drafting, when they did have picks were terrible too. William Avery, Ndudi Ebi, McCants etc.

 

[BigTyme Records]

Dirk is a better scorer then kg kg is better with everything else tho KG defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk defense

 

[Verbal Kint]

The cruch time thing is just a myth because his teams were so terrible.

For example, he lead the Celtics in scoring, 4th quarter scoring and clutch scoring (2 mins or less) during their 08 championship run.

A couple of years back I went through clutch numbers and he ranked just as high as his peers if not higher (if anything, those numbers showed Kobes inefficiency in the clutch).

Otherwise, your post is good. The Wolves were probably the most terribly ran team throughout a decade. They lost multiple 1st rounders as you said and also made poor decisions such as letting Billups go to double down on a broken down Terrell Brandon who retired a year later. Their drafting, when they did have picks were terrible too. William Avery, Ndudi Ebi, McCants etc.

I grew up watching Wolves games. The crunch time thing isn't a myth. And its not that he choked, its just that he wasn't a 'go get a basket' type like most of the stars of that time. T-Mac, AI, VC, all those guys' main strength was as a scorer and that was in the middle of the hero ball era. KG always needed another guy to be the primary ball handler/playmaker in the last few minutes which is why he and Marbury were a perfect fit and why he thrived wen he had Cassell/Spree or Rondo/Pierce playing next to him

 

[SwagKingKong]

I grew up watching Wolves games. The crunch time thing isn't a myth. And its not that he choked, its just that he wasn't a 'go get a basket' type like most of the stars of that time. T-Mac, AI, VC, all those guys' main strength was as a scorer and that was in the middle of the hero ball era. KG always needed another guy to be the primary ball handler/playmaker in the last few minutes which is why he and Marbury were a perfect fit and why he thrived wen he had Cassell/Spree or Rondo/Pierce playing next to him

I also grew up watching Wolves games but nope, sorry, it is a myth and it's not backed up by the numbers.

Look at his clutch scoring numbers during his prime / peak for example.

02-03:
41/74 FGs. Ranked 17th in total clutch points this season.
03-04:
43/93 FGs. Ranked 8th in total clutch points.
04-05:
40/83 FGs. Ranked 15th in total clutch points.

He consistently placed himself in the top 20 in total clutch points for each of his prime seasons. Those are lists that heavily favor perimeter players btw, yet KG was always amongst the highest rated big guys.

When you account for efficiency, there's really no way to argue that you rather have Iverson, T-Mac etc. in the clutch since KG was scoring close to their level in the clutch with superior efficiency. Btw, he ranks above Duncan in almost every year, yet somehow you'd never hear anyone say "Duncan couldn't go get your team a basket!". It's a stupid argument to begin with and it's only done with KG because people tried to justify why the team wasn't winning (when the public was stupid enough not to understand that the team matters).

He didn't thrive with Cassell and Pierce etc. because they handled things in the clutch, it was because they were really good players. Again, Garnett was the Celtics 4th quarter and clutch leading scorer during their title run. Yet, Pierce is believed to be their 1st option, main guy in the clutch etc.

Pierce was 1/14 in FGs during the clutch during their playoff run in 2008. KG was 9/20.....

 

[Reggie]

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[Reggie]

Kareem missed the playoffs two years in a row in his prime and he's in the GOAT conversation.

KG missed the playoffs three years in a row, while the first year of the three they finished with 44 wins which would be the 5th seed in the east and 7th in the west this year.

Btw, wtf? Top 20 defender? Top 50 overall player? I'm sure you haven't put much thought into this so try this:

make a list of 19 players who you could argue being a better defender than him.

Then make a list of 49 players who you could argue being a better overall player than him.

If you dig into the numbers, you'll find that Garnett belongs way, way higher than that.

Duncan Moncrief Russell D-Rob Jordan Pippen Payton Kawhi Draymond GP Zo Rodman Bill Bruce Bowen Alvin Robertson Joe D Artest Dikembe Ben Bron Kobe Dwight Moncrief Stockton could all be considered better defenders than KG if you want to get technical about it. I don't think they are but if someone said they were you probably would have a legit argument on your hands.

 

[e001]

KG was better than Duncan IMO.
Duncan was greater for a longer period of time.

KG and that Dallas team is not beating the Heat in 2011.

You could rely on Dirk to get you buckets and carry you home down the stretch. While he wasn't the defender KG was, Dirk definitely is who I'd want.

Old JKidd, Jason Terry, and KG ain't beating no Heatles.

Not to mention Dirk played against KG pretty damn well

2011 KG no but put even 2008 KG (same age) on that team and they would've beaten the Heat too, that defense would be ridiculous and he would get buckets on anyone on that team, nobody on that Heat team would be able to guard him in the post. He was a 20/10 in the playoffs and miles ahead of Dirk on D. KG wouldn't average 27 like him but they would lock down the Heat. They would've been 04' Pistons like.

 

[GreatestLaker]

As an individual player KG was right there with Duncan. I would argue that he was the more skilled player. Duncan's post game and clutch play gives him the edge though.

 

[DIMES]

He helped changed the NBA. He was the first big man that didn't need to have his back to the basket

U mean Hakeem

 

[duckbutta]

Better than Dirk...

**runs out of thread**