Is Mahomes the best QB you've ever seen?

[inndaskKy]

And Brady has more Superbowl rings than all of them combined have Superbowl appearances

 

[NYC Rebel]

You arguing just to argue, did I say Elway was a better quarterback skill-for-skill, or make an assumption on real time perspective, or run in here with stats?

It's not in dispute that Elway was the greater crunch time, big game quarterback, so is there something you have that disputes this? Marino couldn't win road playoff games and typically when he lost games he got his head knocked off...

This isn't a "data nerd" mine, I'm asking you to explain these things. You wanna go Angry Old Man have at it, I'm bout to create that Marino thread though ...

No, I’m not. I live through the time as a teenager into adulthood, watching both of them in their prime. I can tell you firsthand that Marino was always ahead of ekway before Terrell Davis. You didn’t. You are digging into data, and I am telling you that 10 years into his career elway had two more touchdowns than interceptions thrown.

He was not in Marinos category

 

[murksiderock]

No, I’m not. I live through the time as a teenager into adulthood, watching both of them in their prime. I can tell you firsthand that Marino was always ahead of ekway before Terrell Davis. You didn’t. You are digging into data, and I am telling you that 10 years into his career elway had two more touchdowns than interceptions thrown.

He was not in Marinos category

You don't have to tell me this because I'm not disputing this. You're arguing something that isn't being debated...

What happened to Marino in the playoffs, why did his playoff level of play dip in a way that Montana's didn't, in a way Brady's didn't, in a way Mahomes' doesn't?

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

I don't know this, thus my comment. When the QB has played his entire career with the best QB whisperer and offensive schemers in NFL history I think it's fair to see how he does in another system, especially when we've seen how Mahomes has looked in the rare occasions he's had to throw the ball immediately. Mahomes creating backyard plays off of pressure benefits immensely by having guys schemed to be open in that intermediate level. That raw talent ain't mean shyt when Todd Bowles came with a scheme to counter what his former boss came with

Guys are getting themselves open when the play breaks down and he's throwing to them perfectly off script. That's the entire point.

Of course if you're saying you want to surround him with a bad coach and no weapons then of course he'll look less impressive.

As will every other Quarterback in history.

 

[Truefan31]

Concerning Rodgers vs Mahomes, other than longevity, I don't see the argument for Rodgers ahead of Mahomes anymore.

Rodgers has had far too many failures in his career.

Mahomes is the better, more talented quarterback and has been far more dominant than Rodgers was in only 5 years. He's already played as many conference championships as Rodgers (5) and has been more successful. Rodgers has a pitiful 1-4 record in conference championships.

Mahomes will now play in 3 superbowls and has 1 championship compared to Rodgers 1 superbowl appearance and 1 championship.

Mahomes is better than Rodgers. Rodgers is too weak minded. 1 sb appearance is egregious for as much as people hype up Rodgers. And mahomes is better than Marino.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Mahomes will end his career a top 3 QB of all time. In terms of accolades he may end up number 2 behind Brady. He needs to win this upcoming Superbowl though to get the narrative rolling. I think Philly wins the Superbowl though.

 

[number21]

Yep. Just need to rack up the accolades to be the goat. I would say 4 rings and 4 plus MVPs would do it.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Mahomes will end his career a top 3 QB of all time. In terms of accolades he may end up number 2 behind Brady. He needs to win this upcoming Superbowl though to get the narrative rolling. I think Philly wins the Superbowl though.

He will be the GOAT if he continues on this trajectory.

He'll never get close to 7 rings obviously but his playing level and ability is far above Brady's and that will be considered in such debates a decade from now.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

He will be the GOAT if he continues on this trajectory.

He'll never get close to 7 rings obviously but his playing level and ability is far above Brady's and that will be considered in such debates a decade from now.

No he won't. Championships matter. He may break Brady's records but he won't sniff his Superbowls. Because of that, and the fact Brady won it all with 2 different teams, Brady will remain the goat far after Patrick hangs it up

 

[JoseLuisGotcha]

He’s a close second

Buffalo Flutie was something to see…you had to be there

 

[Still Benefited]

He has some of the best physical tools seen at the position. He's HOF and eventually top 5 regardless. But I need to see him outside of the Reid/Bieniemy system. Even losing Hill doesn't mean much as Reid had a long history of creating schemes that carried good teams with trash options. Brady and Manning both did it so would be nice to see what Mahomes is with coaching a notch under the HOF coach he has

Andy Reid also had a long history of choking,and a strong lack of situational awareness. And based on that idiotic play calling in last years afc championship game,along with his playcalling before the half in this years. Its safe to say its pretty much the same boneheaded Andy Reid


When you really look at the miracles Mahommes has pulled off in the playoffs. That alot of QBs probably wouldnt have been able to. I think its safe to say Mahommes having an added dimension,is the only thing that changed the narrative that Andy cant win the big game,and gets in his own way.



Lets say hes only as good as Donovan Mcnab or Jeff Garcia. He has some ex factor none of them had to overcome Andy Reids nonsense.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

No he won't. Championships matter. He may break Brady's records but he won't sniff his Superbowls. Because of that, and the fact Brady won it all with 2 different teams, Brady will remain the goat far after Patrick hangs it up

Jordan doesn't have the most championships of an all time great but he is almost unanimously considered the best ever.

If Mahomes wins 4 or 5 rings and continues his absurdly high level of play, he will displace Brady in the eyes of many.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Mahomes will end his career a top 3 QB of all time. In terms of accolades he may end up number 2 behind Brady. He needs to win this upcoming Superbowl though to get the narrative rolling. I think Philly wins the Superbowl though.

Wait are you talking about the superbowl where Mahomes was hitting nikkas on their chest and they kept dropping everything. That superbowl despite having the worst O-lkmenin history Mahomes even had the Bucks sideline in awe of his performance. That superbowl?

 

[Osmosis]

How come nobody cares about Brady and the Pats being involved in numerous cheating scandals?

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I don't know this, thus my comment. When the QB has played his entire career with the best QB whisperer and offensive schemers in NFL history I think it's fair to see how he does in another system, especially when we've seen how Mahomes has looked in the rare occasions he's had to throw the ball immediately. Mahomes creating backyard plays off of pressure benefits immensely by having guys schemed to be open in that intermediate level. That raw talent ain't mean shyt when Todd Bowles came with a scheme to counter what his former boss came with

Did Andy Reid win a SB before Mahomes?