Is the American work ethic dying?

Originalman

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Real talk americans often times work more then their first world peers. Folks disagree but don't take into account how many jobs (especially in the south and rural south) don't offer vacation time off or little vacation time.

So what happens? Americans never take PTO or vacation time. There are countless professional jobs and hourly jobs in the south where you need to work there for 3 to 5 years just to get 3 weeks or 4 weeks vacation.

Note - Hell many jobs in the rural south don't even offer medical benefits.

That is why americans normally work more than their peers. Not because of holidays or any of that. Its because american companies don't give them vacation time or sick leave or paternity leave.

In other first world countries often times employees get those perks.
 

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Imagine caping for millionaires and billionaires who pay they workers single digits per hour (basically the same minimum wage since the 70s, when the price of buying a home has basically tripled. Damn the working class has a serious case of Stockholm syndrome. How do you chastise people working in warehouses or working fast food or any service industry when you literally need them for a functional society to keep from being a third world country. Wild
“ I don’t want these nikkas making the same amount as me ... I’m more important “:mjpls:

I work in finance, and no way is my work, where I’m simply working for a sole corporation that does not serve the general public, more important than someone who does. And there is no fukking reason a teacher shouldn’t get paid atleast close to the wage of a doctor. Health and education is just as important for each individual




These say people were flat out jealous when those same people were making decent unemployment during the pandemic
 

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Some people wanna work, but not all. I am very much aware of what you have stated, but once again, what is YOUR solution?

A low wage job sucks. No debate about it. However, if a person is unemployed, then what are their options legally? Sometimes, you have to swallow your pride, humble oneself and take what you can get, then begin the process of obtaining the skills to obtain a better paying job or take a chance and start your own venture.


Companies aren’t vested in keeping up with the cost of living increases and inflation. Their primary focus is increasing their bottomline.

People have options. They can either work, like most people, or not work. The choice is theirs!

my solution is whats worked previously, collectively bargain for better wages and work conditions which is what is happening now.


why don't those employers swallow their pride and humble themselves and look for applicants outside homeless shelters?
 

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Real talk americans often times work more then their first world peers. Folks disagree but don't take into account how many jobs (especially in the south and rural south) don't offer vacation time off or little vacation time.

So what happens? Americans never take PTO or vacation time. There are countless professional jobs and hourly jobs in the south where you need to work there for 3 to 5 years just to get 3 weeks or 4 weeks vacation.

Note - Hell many jobs in the rural south don't even offer medical benefits.

That is why americans normally work more than their peers. Not because of holidays or any of that. Its because american companies don't give them vacation time or sick leave or paternity leave.

In other first world countries often times employees get those perks.

As someone who gets all the perks, there's a culture of shame around time off in America. The optics of "not working as hard as everyone else" is almost more toxic than actually not working as hard as everyone else.
 

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Nope!

I am saying that people will have to learn how to find a way to make a living!

I am also saying that people can't depend on govt subsidies in order to make ends meet!

If you are a grown ass adult, then you have to find financial means to support yourself because govt subsidies will eventually get cut off.

Therefore. If a person is unemployed, then he or she may need to take a low wage job as a staring point to bring in income.

I am blessed to have a union job that pays well, but if I somehow lost my job, then I may have to take a low wage job temporarily until I could find a better paying job OR get retrained in another profession that pays more. The mortgage, car note, insurance, utilities and miscellaneous bills isn't gonna stop just because my financial situation changed.

I am someone who don't look down upon entry level workers. They gotta do what they gotta to do and somebody have to work these jobs.

But, that doesn't mean I don't want people to aspire to do better. I hope people use whatever job they have as a stepping stone to obtain a better paying job.

There are people who simply do not want to work. Some people don't have to work for a host of reasons. That's their business!

Since you want to debate, then please share a better alternative to the choices I have stated?

BTW, many companies are increasing their wages to attract employees, but to expect the average company to pay a substantial amount of money for each employee isn't realistic.

If people really want to make a lot of money, then they will have to work for themselves. How many people are willing or able to put in time, work and capital to make that happen?

C-suite and executive wages and bonuses increased by nearly 300% across all industries. The whole "pass the buck to the consumer" is bullshyt. All that extra revenue been going to the top instead of across the board. The fact that in a matter of weeks after opening so many companies COULD increase wages so quickly is testament of that. You really think Taco Bell, a company with a revenue of almost $2 billion/yr can't pay everyone at least $15/hr? :russ:

Also, here's the truth no one wants to talk about....

COVID killed almost 600k people to date in the US. How many of those people do you think were low-skill, low-wage workers? Food service was high risk as hell. So even if people DIDN'T die, some got so sick they got let go from work. Or a company laid people off during shut down, or they were told by doctors that working that close to people is actually dangerous for them. Sure 600k died, but MILLIONS got sick and realized that working in a 12x12 box filled with raw foods and people who can't afford health care probably ISN'T a vibe.
 

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Imagine caping for millionaires and billionaires who pay they workers single digits per hour (basically the same minimum wage since the 70s, when the price of buying a home has basically tripled. Damn the working class has a serious case of Stockholm syndrome. How do you chastise people working in warehouses or working fast food or any service industry when you literally need them for a functional society to keep from being a third world country. Wild
“ I don’t want these nikkas making the same amount as me ... I’m more important “:mjpls:

I work in finance, and no way is my work, where I’m simply working for a sole corporation that does not serve the general public, more important than someone who does. And there is no fukking reason a teacher shouldn’t get paid atleast close to the wage of a doctor. Health and education is just as important for each individual

Bruh. You can't make this shyt up. American capitalism has made it so that we celebrate the wealthy and shyt on the common man, some of the posts in that Jeff Bezos boat thread were disturbing as fukk.
 

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In Amerikkka the people who work the hardest get paid the least. Been like that since DAY 1.

Rich muhfukkas chilling on the golf course telling everybody else to “work hard”. :mjlol:

It’s like kingpins telling corner boys not to snitch then turning the courtroom into karaoke night

It’s wild how so many people don’t see this :francis:
 

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C-suite and executive wages and bonuses increased by nearly 300% across all industries. The whole "pass the buck to the consumer" is bullshyt. All that extra revenue been going to the top instead of across the board. The fact that in a matter of weeks after opening so many companies COULD increase wages so quickly is testament of that. You really think Taco Bell, a company with a revenue of almost $2 billion/yr can't pay everyone at least $15/hr? :russ:

Also, here's the truth no one wants to talk about....

COVID killed almost 600k people to date in the US. How many of those people do you think were low-skill, low-wage workers? Food service was high risk as hell. So even if people DIDN'T die, some got so sick they got let go from work. Or a company laid people off during shut down, or they were told by doctors that working that close to people is actually dangerous for them. Sure 600k died, but MILLIONS got sick and realized that working in a 12x12 box filled with raw foods and people who can't afford health care probably ISN'T a vibe.

Breh, I am on your side and yeah, companies could pay more, but the reality is that they will not pay enough that will negatively affect their bottomline.

I am good on the job tip, but I am subjected to automation. Low paying jobs will also be subjected to the same.

For those who wanna work, there are jobs. Low paying and livable wage paying. I wish those people the best!
 

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Breh, I am on your side and yeah, companies could pay more, but the reality is that they will not pay enough that will negatively affect their bottomline.

I am good on the job tip, but I am subjected to automation. Low paying jobs will also be subjected to the same.

For those who wanna work, there are jobs. Low paying and livable wage paying. I wish those people the best!

Here's what American companies fail to understand that Japan, Korea and certain parts of Europe already get though.

If the product is good, and wages are fair, people will spend the money. It's not hard. People still buy Cadillacs and Benzes, charging an extra 10 cents for a Big Mac isn't going to cause people to riot. ESPECIALLY if its guaranteed to go back to the workers. Consumer have become more conspicuous over the past 25 years.
 

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Propaganda from the elite.


2020 made people realize how the system is really set up.
I hear bozos at work parrot this same shyt constantly. They don't even have any formal education themselves saying this stuff, themselves being easily replaceable. On top of that, company sources most of its labor from temp agencies and shyt. fukk you expect?

Bruh. You can't make this shyt up. American capitalism has made it so that we celebrate the wealthy and shyt on the common man, some of the posts in that Jeff Bezos boat thread were disturbing as fukk.
fukking rich man worship is pervasive in this country, I don't understand it.
 

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C-suite and executive wages and bonuses increased by nearly 300% across all industries. The whole "pass the buck to the consumer" is bullshyt. All that extra revenue been going to the top instead of across the board. The fact that in a matter of weeks after opening so many companies COULD increase wages so quickly is testament of that. You really think Taco Bell, a company with a revenue of almost $2 billion/yr can't pay everyone at least $15/hr? :russ:

Also, here's the truth no one wants to talk about....

COVID killed almost 600k people to date in the US. How many of those people do you think were low-skill, low-wage workers? Food service was high risk as hell. So even if people DIDN'T die, some got so sick they got let go from work. Or a company laid people off during shut down, or they were told by doctors that working that close to people is actually dangerous for them. Sure 600k died, but MILLIONS got sick and realized that working in a 12x12 box filled with raw foods and people who can't afford health care probably ISN'T a vibe.



I doubt people in the industry who knew a co-worker who died is eager to to return to the same hazardous workplace for low pay.
 

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Some people wanna work, but not all. I am very much aware of what you have stated, but once again, what is YOUR solution?

A low wage job sucks. No debate about it. However, if a person is unemployed, then what are their options legally? Sometimes, you have to swallow your pride, humble oneself and take what you can get, then begin the process of obtaining the skills to obtain a better paying job or take a chance and start your own venture.


Companies aren’t vested in keeping up with the cost of living increases and inflation. Their primary focus is increasing their bottomline.

People have options. They can either work, like most people, or not work. The choice is theirs!

You’re overlooking a lot of things. First off, EVERYBODY cannot work in these fields that pay well. It’s not enough positions for EVERYONE to get one. Even with most people not having college degrees there are still a ridiculous amount of unused degrees belonging to people who spent years in college only to not even be able to obtain an entry level position in the career they majored in. So how is the solution MORE people need to get the education required when there are already a shytload of educated people un or underemployed? :gucci:

Secondly, if EVERYONE owns their own business, who exactly are going to be the employees for these businesses? The problem is society at large has forgotten the worker is just as important if not MORE important than the employer. They’re the ones that actually provide the work to keep the business running. Without them the employer makes absolutely nothing. But society has brainwashed people into believing the boss is the important one. :unimpressed:

Also, people have to work these jobs in fast food, retail stores etc. Who the hell gone take your order if absolutely no one works in a restaurant because they’re all working on working in high paying careers and/or becoming entrepreneurs? :jbhmm:

The problem is both employers and society at large see these workers as beneath them. You can see this just by how they get treated/spoken to by customers. When in actuality they play just as important of a role in a functional society as the bosses/entrepreneurs people put on a pedestal. If anything the workers are more important.

There should not be a such thing as a job in the US that pays less than $20/hr. 30 minimum for places with high costs of living. There should not be any job that pays less than the amount needed to have your own place, transportation, other necessities AND extra for leisure.

People are starting to see this and telling these companies/employers to go fukk themselves, as they should :unimpressed:

Adding $2-3/hr to already extremely low wages, like some of these corporations have done recently won’t cut it. They need to double wages at minimum or go out of business. :unimpressed:
 

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I disagree! Some people don’t wanna work! Some people are lazy! Also, it is a given that people don’t wanna work for low wages. Who does? But, if you can live off of unemployment and stimmy checks vs. having to physically get up, burn gas and take direction from people all day, then of course many people will take the first option.

However, at the end of the day, most people need to work in order to survive. If wage is an issue, then go to college or a trade school and gain the knowledge and skills to earn a higher wage or start your own business and work your ass off until you make a decent or better wage.
:mjpls:

Basically pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. :mjpls:

Working your ass off isn't what gets you a better wage also. I think a lot of you guys are too disconnected from lower level work life to really have an opinion on it.
 

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As someone who gets all the perks, there's a culture of shame around time off in America. The optics of "not working as hard as everyone else" is almost more toxic than actually not working as hard as everyone else.

Yep it is. I work in corporate america and it is a shame in taking vacation, sick leave or missing days. Companies will deny it but the shame is there.
 
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