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Is Westbrook a Top 10 All-Time PG?
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He plays PG and had a record high usage rate while drawing tons of attention why would he not lead the league in those categories
It’s not nonsense for “laughs” it’s a facts at his peak he had a 42% usage rate you look at any stat touches per game, dribbles per game, time of possession
When it comes to ability and athleticism...no doubt. Buuuut there is the pesky little mental/impact on winning piece that holds him back. He does some downright stupid shyt sometimes. I remember in the GSW choke series this nikka had multiple occasions where he blatantly flopped 25 feet from the basket trying to get a call and failed each time. The one time in particular they were up like 13 in game 7 and they were on a roll and he pulls that stupid shyt out for no reason.
What team has he ever made better? He had KD for all those years and they regularly fell short and folks blamed KDs "non-alphaness" and claimed Russ was the scapegoat. We saw what KD did with Steph. The pg is supposed to make the game easier for the other players. They are supposed to be the ones adjusting, not the other way around.
The year KD was out, they blew a 4 game lead for 8th spot in the last 10 games. KD leaves and you have Olapido and Sabonis. People swore he had no squad but then those dudes become all stars elsewhere. Then you bring in PG and Melo and there is no improvement. Now he goes to HOU and they are what...2 games up on the Thunder squad that everyone assumed was tanking. He's put up some amazing numbers but what has he done when shyt was hot an it was needed most. Probably the most athletic pg of all time, had quality rim protection most of his career, and never been a great defender.
What team has he ever made better? He had KD for all those years and they regularly fell short and folks blamed KDs "non-alphaness" and claimed Russ was the scapegoat. We saw what KD did with Steph. The pg is supposed to make the game easier for the other players. They are supposed to be the ones adjusting, not the other way around.
The year KD was out, they blew a 4 game lead for 8th spot in the last 10 games. KD leaves and you have Olapido and Sabonis. People swore he had no squad but then those dudes become all stars elsewhere. Then you bring in PG and Melo and there is no improvement. Now he goes to HOU and they are what...2 games up on the Thunder squad that everyone assumed was tanking. He's put up some amazing numbers but what has he done when shyt was hot an it was needed most. Probably the most athletic pg of all time, had quality rim protection most of his career, and never been a great defender.
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Buddy. CP3s Time of Possession has only been lower than Russ's since he was traded to HOU until now. USG says nothing about how LONG a person has the ball. CP3 is and has always been known as a ball stopper.He plays PG and had a record high usage rate while drawing tons of attention why would he not lead the league in those categories
It’s not nonsense for “laughs” it’s a facts at his peak he had a 42% usage rate you look at any stat touches per game, dribbles per game, time of possession
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Why are you lying? These are all things that can easily be searched up take the damn cape off
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People gotta chill with this "not a point guard" stuff. How many guys today are traditional prototype points? None of the elite guys besides Paul and Wall are...
Not Russ, not Luka, not Steph, not Dame, not Kyrie, etc. Some of the mid-tier guys like Ball and Rubio are, but we should be way past the period where we expect modern points to be prototypical because for the most part, none of the elite guys are...
Russ is a point guard, I don't even know why we're debating that...
I'll respectfully disagree on the Dame/Russ thing. Dame has better handles, which really doesn't hold alot of weight, and he's a better shooter. Russ is better at everything else...
I haven't looked at Dame's crunch time numbers but in the front of my mind I can recall him playing like trash playoff after playoff, he's no better than Harden as far as that's concerned...
Yeah I may have made an oversight excluding Walt, and most of these lists throw him up there too...
Not Russ, not Luka, not Steph, not Dame, not Kyrie, etc. Some of the mid-tier guys like Ball and Rubio are, but we should be way past the period where we expect modern points to be prototypical because for the most part, none of the elite guys are...
Russ is a point guard, I don't even know why we're debating that...
I'll respectfully disagree on the Dame/Russ thing. Dame has better handles, which really doesn't hold alot of weight, and he's a better shooter. Russ is better at everything else...
I haven't looked at Dame's crunch time numbers but in the front of my mind I can recall him playing like trash playoff after playoff, he's no better than Harden as far as that's concerned...
Yeah I may have made an oversight excluding Walt, and most of these lists throw him up there too...
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When Dame and Russell match-up the difference in sheer skill, I.Q., poise, understanding of pace, P&R ability is huge
I think handle holds a lot of weight especially at a position like PG. Russell relies on his explosive first step, he has a high dribble, and he don't got a particularly diverse set of moves or a great crossover. Lillard rarely turns the ball over, especially live lose ball TO's, WB does a lot.
Lillard should never be compared to Harden as far as playoff failures. Harden has the most epic playoff melt downs of All-Time. Lillard really isn't bad once you consider the circumstances. For example the Blazers series where they were swept a vital weakness was exposed. The Blazers have played much of the decade with offensively inept forwards. The Pelicans were able to completely ignore Turner, Harkless, Aminu and trap Dame at half court and double every P&R. The teams that Dame has lost to throughout his career in the playoffs are often superior teams. I think KD would have a ring if a guy like Dame or Kyrie replaced WB in those OKC years.
As for the clutch, Dame has been one of the most feared shot makers and one of the best players with the ball in his hands in tight games with 5 minutes left. Russell is easily one of the worst among "star" level players.
Do you consider Bill Russell the GOAT
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When Dame and Russell match-up the difference in sheer skill, I.Q., poise, understanding of pace, P&R ability is huge
I think handle holds a lot of weight especially at a position like PG. Russell relies on his explosive first step, he has a high dribble, and he don't got a particularly diverse set of moves or a great crossover. Lillard rarely turns the ball over, especially live lose ball TO's, WB does a lot.
Lillard should never be compared to Harden as far as playoff failures. Harden has the most epic playoff melt downs of All-Time. Lillard really isn't bad once you consider the circumstances. For example the Blazers series where they were swept a vital weakness was exposed. The Blazers have played much of the decade with offensively inept forwards. The Pelicans were able to completely ignore Turner, Harkless, Aminu and trap Dame at half court and double every P&R. The teams that Dame has lost to throughout his career in the playoffs are often superior teams. I think KD would have a ring if a guy like Dame or Kyrie replaced WB in those OKC years.
As for the clutch, Dame has been one of the most feared shot makers and one of the best players with the ball in his hands in tight games with 5 minutes left. Russell is easily one of the worst among "star" level players.
You just wont stop. Outside of this season Lillard has never averaged more than 7 AST a game-- and he averages almost 3 TOVs for those 7 assists.
Damian Lillard vs. Russell Westbrook Comparison
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nah, not even close
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You just wont stop. Outside of this season Lillard has never averaged more than 7 AST a game-- and he averages almost 3 TOVs for those 7 assists.
Damian Lillard vs. Russell Westbrook Comparison
Westbrook doesn’t have an advanced handle
And assist average doesn’t mean as much as you think. Everyone knows Westbrook chased assists.
U just won’t take the cape off
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Your favorite player capes for Russ
He’s a good player