Is Westbrook a Top 10 All-Time PG?

[Bledswole]

Mini Giannis..Ultra athletic, stat stuffing, overly glorified, regular season paper tiger.Going into a big game, don't even think I'd take him over a guy like Chauncey Billups.In fact, I know I wouldn't

Again he’s a top 10 Pg all time no matter how you slice it

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What's the criteria? Are we trying to win a playoff game or a title? Then I'm taking Magic, Steph, Isiah, CP3, Nash, Kidd, Oscar, West, Stockton, Frazier, Parker, Dame, Penny, and Payton before I'm taking Russ.

Rings shouldn't be a determinant outside of the top 3-4 on that list IMO. Magic was an "alpha" (hate that term) for some of his, Steph was for only one, Isiah got two, I think thats it.

You missed Walt Frazier and Jerry West. Bob Cousy too if you want to include him, he was league MVP the same year they won their first title. And of course Billups and Tony Parker have FMVP even if they were more part of ensemble casts.

"Rings" are always a dumb criteria out of context. But in terms of playoff success, Russ is waaaay behind a lot of guys on that list. Besides Magic/Steph/Isiah/Frazier/West/Cousy/Billups/Parker, you also have Payton and Kidd who took their teams to Finals as the clear team leader, Nash, Rose, and Dame who took their teams to WCF. CP3 and even Oscar Robertson have won more series and frankly looked and played better as a #1 than Russ has too.

 

[Bledswole]

What's the criteria? Are we trying to win a playoff game or a title? Then I'm taking Magic, Steph, Isiah, CP3, Nash, Kidd, Oscar, West, Stockton, Frazier, Tony Parker, Dame, and Payton before I'm taking Russ.





You missed Walt Frazier and Jerry West. Bob Cousy too if you want to include him. And of course Billups and Tony Parker have FMVP even if they were more part of ensemble casts.

"Rings" are always a dumb criteria out of context. But in terms of playoff success, Russ is waaaay behind a lot of guys on that list. Besides Magic/Steph/Isiah/Frazier/West/Cousy/Billups/Parker, you also have Payton and Kidd who took their teams to Finals as the clear team leader, Nash, Rose, and Dame who took their teams to WCF. CP3 and even Oscar Robertson have won more series and frankly looked and played better as a #1 than Russ has too.

You dudes is clowns man this got to be the stupidest shyt I ever heard man majority of the HOF and position rankings are mostly based on Stats and awards,you dudes is slow.

Chauncey Billups,Dame Lillard ain’t no fukkin top 10 PG’s of all time and not even close

Fraser,Cousy and Parker aren’t in the same realm as Westbrook when we talking flat out dominating! Wtf you nikkas smoke today?

 

[murksiderock]

Magic

Curry
Zeke
Oscar

Nash
CP3
Frazier

Kidd
Stockton
Payton

Anyone of the bottom are eligible to be knocked off

I have a real, real issue with ranking Zeke so highly. I can name five points his era or earlier who were better than him--Cousy, O, Logo, Frazier, Magic. To say nothing of guys after him who were better, its confounding he rates so highly to people...

His championship success was driven as mostly a collection of role players who excelled in their specialties. He didn't have the scoring burden a bunch of these other guys had, and also didn't have to be a standout defender on the best defensive team in The League; in fact he was probably their weakest defender...

Now, on occasions he was asked to drive the scoring punch he did and could, I guess that matters, but no one would confuse him for being an All-Time level scorer even at his position...

Just sticking to the five guys I named before him, three of them were league MVPs (Cousy, O, Magic), three of them were significantly greater scorers (O, Logo, Walt), and all five left a hallmark on their eras in a significantly greater fashion than Isiah did in his. Isiah's impact is tied to the Bad Boys but these guys were five individually greater players even if they are tied to great teams...

Isiah is one of these guys whose gotten extremely overrated with time. He is not a Top 5 point, and if he's Top 10 he's right at the very bottom of it...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You dudes is clowns man this got to be the stupidest shyt I ever heard man majority of the HOF and position rankings are mostly based on Stats and awards,you dudes is slow.

Did you spend more time punching in smileys than you spent thinking about what you were saying?

Why do my criteria have to be the same as someone else's? If all you care about is stats then you do you.

Fraser,Cousy and Parker aren’t in the same realm as Westbrook when we talking flat out dominating! Wtf you nikkas smoke today?

"Flat out dominating"....what? The stat sheet? Westbrook has "flat out dominated" his way to losing 20 of his last 27 playoff games. He hasn't won more than 2 games in a series since 2016. Never in his career has he won a playoff series or even pushed a team to 7 games as the #1 option or the team leader.

Walt Frazier was a consistent 1st-team All-NBA, 1st-team All-Defensive guy who led his team to two titles. Out there putting up 21-7-7 on 50% shooting with elite defense for a title team and not having to stat-pad to do it. Saying he "isn't in the same realm as Westbrook" when Westbrook can't even get out of the first round is just stupid shyt.

Cousy made 1st-team All-NBA TEN STRAIGHT YEARS. Won an MVP and a title in the same season and was top-5 in MVP voting in multiple other title seasons. Was consensus best point guard in the game for a decade, Russ has never been the best point guard in the game for even a single year.

 

[murksiderock]

Did you spend more time punching in smileys than you spent thinking about what you were saying?

Why do my criteria have to be the same as someone else's? If all you care about is stats then you do you.





"Flat out dominating"....what? The stat sheet? Westbrook has "flat out dominated" his way to losing 20 of his last 27 playoff games. He hasn't won more than 2 games in a series since 2016. Never in his career has he won a playoff series or even pushed a team to 7 games as the #1 option or the team leader.

Walt Frazier was a consistent 1st-team All-NBA, 1st-team All-Defensive guy who led his team to two titles. Out there putting up 21-7-7 on 50% shooting with elite defense for a title team and not having to stat-pad to do it. Saying he "isn't in the same realm as Westbrook" when Westbrook can't even get out of the first round is just stupid shyt.

Cousy made 1st-team All-NBA TEN STRAIGHT YEARS. Won an MVP and a title in the same season and was top-5 in MVP voting in multiple other title seasons. Was consensus best point guard in the game for a decade, Russ has never been the best point guard in the game for even a single year.

Alot of modern heads are ignorant to pre-merger guys, Cousy and Frazier being two of them. Cats gotta judge these guys on who they were in the eras they played and those dudes were heavyweights...

I gotta think about where I put Russ in relation to those two but one thing is for sure, its a compliment to Russ to be able to be mentioned in the same breath as both. He's that good and so were they...

 

[Jermio]

Mini Giannis..Ultra athletic, stat stuffing, overly glorified, regular season paper tiger.Going into a big game, don't even think I'd take him over a guy like Chauncey Billups.In fact, I know I wouldn't

Tell 'em. Billups was an NBA Champion leading the Pistons to a title. WTF has Westbrook done? He doesn't elevate teams, he doesn't win titles, FOH with this fool. nikkas who love Westbrook think the best movies have got to have the most explosions or some shyt. It's not logical. Basketball is about winning, not being an athletic circus act.

 

[St_clair_Og]

Magic.
Steph
Oscar.
Zeke.
Kidd.
Stockton.
Payton
Cp3.
Nash.
Russ.

Better question is who are the next 10 top pgs of all-time

 

[ISO]

Russy, CP3, Dame, Kyrie, Steph all these guys have to be top 10 or approaching it at this point...

I was just arguing today with two of my friends trying to tell me Jason Kidd was better.

 

[Bledswole]

Russy, CP3, Dame, Kyrie, Steph all these guys have to be top 10 or approaching it at this point...

I was just arguing today with two of my friends trying to tell me Jason Kidd was better.

Kidd is better than:

Kyrie
Dame

 

[Bledswole]

Did you spend more time punching in smileys than you spent thinking about what you were saying?

Why do my criteria have to be the same as someone else's? If all you care about is stats then you do you.





"Flat out dominating"....what? The stat sheet? Westbrook has "flat out dominated" his way to losing 20 of his last 27 playoff games. He hasn't won more than 2 games in a series since 2016. Never in his career has he won a playoff series or even pushed a team to 7 games as the #1 option or the team leader.

Walt Frazier was a consistent 1st-team All-NBA, 1st-team All-Defensive guy who led his team to two titles. Out there putting up 21-7-7 on 50% shooting with elite defense for a title team and not having to stat-pad to do it. Saying he "isn't in the same realm as Westbrook" when Westbrook can't even get out of the first round is just stupid shyt.

Cousy made 1st-team All-NBA TEN STRAIGHT YEARS. Won an MVP and a title in the same season and was top-5 in MVP voting in multiple other title seasons. Was consensus best point guard in the game for a decade, Russ has never been the best point guard in the game for even a single year.

No I know exactly what I said and also add this to what I said


MVP award
2 scoring titles
2 assist leader titles
2 All NBA first team selections
2 All star game Mvps
9 Allstar selections
186 triple doubles and counting

Career average: 23,8,7

Fam that’s easily top 10 PG of all time,a ring would put him in the top 5,

 

[ISO]

Kidd is better than:

Kyrie
Dame

He’s not. I find him to be extremely overrated honestly. Like a lot of players of the past so much of him gets glossed over.


Dame and Kyrie are absolute offensive superstars. I also prefer Dame and Kyrie over Russy.

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Why is Bob Cousy getting mentioned? I don’t care about no stats; I don’t believe this dude is a factor. He can’t be top 10. I don’t honor it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No I know exactly what I said and also add this to what I said


MVP award
2 scoring titles
2 assist leader titles
2 All NBA first team selections
2 All star game Mvps
9 Allstar selections
186 triple doubles and counting

Career average: 23,8,7

Fam that’s easily top 10 PG of all time,a ring would put him in the top 5,

And notice you weren't able to list a single thing related to the goal of playing basketball. Which is to win.

20 losses in his last 27 playoff games, never even reached a Game 7 as the #1 guy, hasn't won more than 2 games in a series since 2016.

Like I said, if I'm building a team to win then I'm taking 14-15 PGs before I take Russ.

Why is Bob Cousy getting mentioned? I don’t care about no stats; I don’t believe this dude is a factor. He can’t be top 10. I don’t honor it.

If guys are basing it on accolades, then Cousy is top-3 all-time in accolades among point guards. Won an MVP, 13 all-star selections, twice all-star MVP, ten straight years 1st-team All-NBA, 8 straight years leading the league in assists.

If guys are basing it on winning, Cousy has 6 titles.

If we're ignoring accolades and just focusing on actual ability, I agree that Cousy isn't up there in the top-10. But then we'd have to start talking about Penny and D-Rose as being on that list before Westbrook is.

 

[Bledswole]

And notice you weren't able to list a single thing related to the goal of playing basketball. Which is to win.

20 losses in his last 27 playoff games, never even reached a Game 7 as the #1 guy, hasn't won more than 2 games in a series since 2016.

Like I said, if I'm building a team to win then I'm taking 14-15 PGs before I take Russ.





If guys are basing it on accolades, then Cousy is top-3 all-time in accolades among point guards. Won an MVP, 13 all-star selections, twice all-star MVP, ten straight years 1st-team All-NBA, 8 straight years leading the league in assists.

If guys are basing it on winning, Cousy has 6 titles.

If we're ignoring accolades and just focusing on actual ability, I agree that Cousy isn't up there in the top-10. But then we'd have to start talking about Penny and D-Rose as being on that list before Westbrook is.

My man it don’t matter you nobody can look at Russ accomplishments and leave him off the top 10 PG list like I said if dudes were ranked off winning then ok,majority of guys who make the HOF and get rated on this top 10 list have outstanding accolades and that’s what it’s mainly based off of! Russ in there my man