It hurts to see how Saigon's career turned out

[NV-ME]

He did ditch them when they got luke warm. He went from pushing Saigon and producing his album to not even returning his phone calls?

Jay Electronica's work ethic NEVER changed, Just Blaze tried to jump on the bandwagon, hyped Exhibit C a ton, but once that buzz fadded Just Blaze decided that he was an EDM DJ....you know cuz that's the hot trend.

Yes Just is to blame for something. He was the industry heavy weight helping Saigon. It was all gravy when he was on TV but as soon as he didn't blow up like people thought, he takes shots in interviews?

You are defending Just Blaze for no reason on this one.

more like youre making excuses for a grown man. blaze continued to work w/ dude on the warning shots mixtapes, and his second album. I dunno about no-no return calls. you can easily cyse a missed call as some excuse to throw a guy under a bus... as for jay elect. working w/ just, making records like exhibit a & c got the dude signed and then he moved to Europe to frolic w/ a billionaire. the fukk is just supposed to do, follow him? make him eat his peas?

so what just got a new gig, nikkas gotta eat. you blame Saigon for getting on reality tv, because its the..."hot trend?" what ever happened to all that abandoned nation shyt? havent heard that in a minute? they get left behind? whose to blame for them bushes?

you can lead em to water, dogg...

 

[smokeurobinson]

Did anyone actually purchase any of saigons albums when they finally dropped? First album was dope but did poorly sales wise so its like how can u complain about teh direction of his career when there is no financial support? I'm willing to bet that most who are talking about dudes current career status never even put up the money to support.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

more like youre making excuses for a grown man. blaze continued to work w/ dude on the warning shots mixtapes, and his second album. I dunno about no-no return calls. you can easily cyse a missed call as some excuse to throw a guy under a bus... as for jay elect. working w/ just, making records like exhibit a & c got the dude signed and then he moved to Europe to frolic w/ a billionaire. the fukk is just supposed to do, follow him? make him eat his peas?

so what just got a new gig, nikkas gotta eat. you blame Saigon for getting on reality tv, because its the..."hot trend?" what ever happened to all that abandoned nation shyt? havent heard that in a minute? they get left behind? whose to blame for them bushes?

you can lead em to water, dogg...

The exact same thing happened twice and we are supposed to not see the one constant is Just Blaze? Okay.

Son it wasn't just 'one missed call' and you know it. Why are you trying to spin this situation so much, it's....kinda weird. He purposely stopped returning doods calls. He didn't just miss one call then call him back 15 minutes later. He didn't call him. Period.

Saigon is trying to eat because he got pushed aside by his biggest ally in the business. Don't try to compare Just Blaze's EDM dikk jumping to that. He don't have to jump trends but he does. He still gets checks for production, Saigon doesn't get checks for raping. Big difference.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

I remember I saw sai outside a club once, talking to a bouncer, trying to get in. Dude's like 3 ft tall, look like damn wind up doll. He was on some soft spoken, whisper shyt to the bouncer like he about to cut everyone in line like diddy. Bouncer placed both his hands underneath sai's armpits, picked him up, and placed him outside the velvet rope onto the street.

 

[-DMP-]

I bought GSNT, havent bumped it in years tho. It came out during the weirdest timein RAP IMO.

-DMP-

 

[NV-ME]

The exact same thing happened twice and we are supposed to not see the one constant is Just Blaze? Okay.

Son it wasn't just 'one missed call' and you know it. Why are you trying to spin this situation so much, it's....kinda weird. He purposely stopped returning doods calls. He didn't just miss one call then call him back 15 minutes later. He didn't call him. Period.

Saigon is trying to eat because he got pushed aside by his biggest ally in the business. Don't try to compare Just Blaze's EDM dikk jumping to that. He don't have to jump trends but he does. He still gets checks for production, Saigon doesn't get checks for raping. Big difference.

twice? jay elect worked w/ blaze. they released a single and he jumped to roc nation. how is that just dumping him for greener pastures? if he was a dik, he coulda jim jones-bigavellied him and held a contract over him when he was homeless/struggling, but he let that nikka do him. same w/ Saigon. if you wanna talk about jumping, why did sai jump from ronson, because he thought he got a hotter producer to eat off?

no, I don't know how many calls he missed. I really don't, but I assume he contacted him sometime between his first and second album, both of which HE WORKED ON.

so, now we say just raped Saigon? dogg, you all over the place with this. you tryna compare a producer/dj producing and djing to a rapper looking like a damn fool perpetuating the dumb nikka stereotype on tv, every week?

 

[Firefly]

He did ditch them when they got luke warm. He went from pushing Saigon and producing his album to not even returning his phone calls?

Jay Electronica's work ethic NEVER changed, Just Blaze tried to jump on the bandwagon, hyped Exhibit C a ton, but once that buzz fadded Just Blaze decided that he was an EDM DJ....you know cuz that's the hot trend.

Yes Just is to blame for something. He was the industry heavy weight helping Saigon. It was all gravy when he was on TV but as soon as he didn't blow up like people thought, he takes shots in interviews?

You are defending Just Blaze for no reason on this one.

Just Blaze didn't hype Exhibit C. He created it from top to bottom. He had Jay Electronica spit verses in the booth and he created that whole song. Just leaked it and Jay E was mad about it, but it helped propel him to another level. Perfect storm because when it hit social media it spread like wildfire (Think the Control verse)

Without Just Blaze Jay Electronica would not be regarded as he is now and would be a Killa Priest knockoff. I remember seeing the style wars tape hosted by Erykah Badu and it still wasn't enough to give him the buzz that Exhibit C did. That tape came out and did nothing. No buzz. Exhibit C also came when SOulja Boy and othe b.s was shining I think so folks were starving for lyrics and substance.


Also note Jay E's output since. None of those tracks especially the Mobb Deep one were really any good.


As far as Saigon. Just Blaze did the best he could. Saigon was hot in the streets and Just did what any opportunist would do. Hop on that wave and align with it. Had Saigon not been as hardheaded and impatient, things could have been different for him.

He messed up alot. Can't really blame Just Blaze for not holding Saigons lips together and holding his hand thru the industry at the same time. Like I said b4 dude was a borderline alcoholic and was threatening video chicks with beatdowns.

 

[Rice N Beans]

i honestly thought he stood a chance at becoming one of the best ever.
in those few years, i fielded for new from him, played his tapes constantly and then when Greatest Story Never Told infamy came out...i just felt ...

... think i played that album about 5 or 6 times all in.

ah well, least we had all those great mix tapes..basically everything up until Warning Shots 2 was great..GSNT was good i just rarely listen to it.

Exactly this. He was too late.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Just Blaze didn't hype Exhibit C. He created it from top to bottom. He had Jay Electronica spit verses in the booth and he created that whole song. Just leaked it and Jay E was mad about it, but it helped propel him to another level. Perfect storm because when it hit social media it spread like wildfire (Think the Control verse)

Without Just Blaze Jay Electronica would not be regarded as he is now and would be a Killa Priest knockoff. I remember seeing the style wars tape hosted by Erykah Badu and it still wasn't enough to give him the buzz that Exhibit C did. That tape came out and did nothing. No buzz. Exhibit C also came when SOulja Boy and othe b.s was shining I think so folks were starving for lyrics and substance.


Also note Jay E's output since. None of those tracks especially the Mobb Deep one were really any good.


As far as Saigon. Just Blaze did the best he could. Saigon was hot in the streets and Just did what any opportunist would do. Hop on that wave and align with it. Had Saigon not been as hardheaded and impatient, things could have been different for him.

He messed up alot. Can't really blame Just Blaze for not holding Saigons lips together and holding his hand thru the industry at the same time. Like I said b4 dude was a borderline alcoholic and was threatening video chicks with beatdowns.

No...the fact that he never blew up past a back packers wet dream is why hes Killah Priest. Some of that falls on Just Blaze, as a producer, for not pushing him harder. You are talking like you need to give people a history lesson on Jay Electronica like all that shyt didn't happen in the last few years. We all know.

Impatient? Just Blaze couldn't lace him with a beat while his buzz was at an all time high? Nah...he wanted to give those beats to people like Jay-z instead. He doesn't get a pass for it.

 

[Firefly]

No...the fact that he never blew up past a back packers wet dream is why hes Killah Priest. Some of that falls on Just Blaze, as a producer, for not pushing him harder. You are talking like you need to give people a history lesson on Jay Electronica like all that shyt didn't happen in the last few years. We all know.

Impatient? Just Blaze couldn't lace him with a beat while his buzz was at an all time high? Nah...he wanted to give those beats to people like Jay-z instead. He doesn't get a pass for it.

You investing too much hate to Just Blaze homie. Go back and look at old interviews. Dude said Jay Electronica been broke, homeless and not used to anything so dude got some bread and flew the coop to Europe, Asia and Africa. You can't hold a grown man's hand and Just Blaze was pushing for dude to finish his album. All he can do is produce. Again. You saying "push him harder" like dudes job is to babysit a grown ass man.

Saigon is a separate issue because dude got held up in label politics and being disagreeable along with all the other b.s named in this thread. Just Blaze produced the album. Can't blame anyone but Saigon and the labels not knowing what to do with dude and him not knowing what to do with himself.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

You investing too much hate to Just Blaze homie. Go back and look at old interviews. Dude said Jay Electronica been broke, homeless and not used to anything so dude got some bread and flew the coop to Europe, Asia and Africa. You can't hold a grown man's hand and Just Blaze was pushing for dude to finish his album. All he can do is produce. Again. You saying "push him harder" like dudes job is to babysit a grown ass man.

Saigon is a separate issue because dude got held up in label politics and being disagreeable along with all the other b.s named in this thread. Just Blaze produced the album. Can't blame anyone but Saigon and the labels not knowing what to do with dude and him not knowing what to do with himself.

There is 0 hate for Just Blaze in my blood. Not only do I think he's a very talented producer he is an excellent DJ and a genius. I just call it how I see it. Just because some of his beats are my favorite all time doesn't keep me from seeing he cast aside Saigon. Some of you guys need to learn that around here. You can be a fan of someone and not have to act like everything they do is awesome.

Label politics doesn't keep you from releasing music other than a retail and getting beats. This has been a good little excuse from you and the other guy defending him till no end but Saigon got off Atlantic when Just was still working with him for the record. And Just Blaze, the one with all the industry connects, couldn't get a label to back it

 

[Firefly]

There is 0 hate for Just Blaze in my blood. Not only do I think he's a very talented producer he is an excellent DJ and a genius. I just call it how I see it. Just because some of his beats are my favorite all time doesn't keep me from seeing he cast aside Saigon. Some of you guys need to learn that around here. You can be a fan of someone and not have to act like everything they do is awesome.

Label politics doesn't keep you from releasing music and getting beats. This has been a good little excuse from you and the other guy defending him till no end but Saigon got off Atlantic when Just was still working with him for the record.

No doubt. Funny thing is you're probably way more of a Just Blaze fan than I am.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

No doubt. Funny thing is you're probably way more of a Just Blaze fan than I am.

I assure you I am. He's a legendary producer in my book. I think he did Saigon dirty because it wasn't easy.

Then Jay Electronica kinda paid him back

 

[Zach Lowe]

The exact same thing happened twice and we are supposed to not see the one constant is Just Blaze? Okay.

Son it wasn't just 'one missed call' and you know it. Why are you trying to spin this situation so much, it's....kinda weird. He purposely stopped returning doods calls. He didn't just miss one call then call him back 15 minutes later. He didn't call him. Period.

Saigon is trying to eat because he got pushed aside by his biggest ally in the business. Don't try to compare Just Blaze's EDM dikk jumping to that. He don't have to jump trends but he does. He still gets checks for production, Saigon doesn't get checks for raping. Big difference.

Just Blaze isn't dikkriding EDM he actually likes that shyt

Saigon isn't his fault at all

He flat out refused to do what the label suggested, how can you win with that attitude

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Just Blaze isn't dikkriding EDM he actually likes that shyt

Saigon isn't his fault at all

He flat out refused to do what the label suggested, how can you win with that attitude

You can like something and still be a trend jumper breh.

Saigon was gone from Atlantic and they still had the album in hand. You guys can stop with the excuse. Just Blaze, the industry connected one of the two, couldn't get any label to back it. So yea, there is no way anyone can spin that it wasn't his fault at all. The not returning calls is a dikk move.