It's real in these Ukrainian trenches... (NSFW)

[Orbital-Fetus]

Air superiority is a myth against any country with modern sophisticated/complex AD & SAMs.

You can achieve air superiority against countries like Iraq & Afghanistan but against a peer - it’s impossible. It sounds good on paper but executing it is a different thing entirely. There’s a reason why NATO ruled out a no-fly immediately after the war started.

This war devolved into trench warfare cos Ukraine spent 8 yrs building sophisticated trenches with tunnels & fortifications in the Donbass area. The area was already a fortress from the Soviet era cos it was the Soviet’s last line on defense before Russia. The area is also littered with sophisticated SAMs.

During the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraq had a variety of air defense systems, including surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), anti-aircraft guns, and radar systems. These systems were primarily Soviet-era equipment that is still being used in Russia today!!!

In addition to SAMs, Iraq had a significant number of anti-aircraft guns, including the ZSU-23-4, which was a 23mm mobile anti-aircraft gun. Iraq also had a number of fixed anti-aircraft guns, including the Soviet-made S-60 57mm anti-aircraft gun still being used by Russia today!!!

Overall, Iraq's air defense systems were not particularly effective against the US and coalition forces, which had a significant technological and tactical advantage. Many of Iraq's air defense systems were destroyed in the opening stages of the war, and US and coalition aircraft were able to operate with relative impunity for much of the conflict.

During the invasion, many of Iraq's air defense systems were quickly overwhelmed by the sheer volume and sophistication of US and coalition air power. The exact numbers of air defense systems destroyed or disabled during the conflict are not publicly available, but it's clear that the US and coalition forces were able to gain air superiority relatively quickly.

Department of Defense has reported that coalition forces carried out over 41,000 sorties and dropped more than 22,000 bombs and missiles during the initial "shock and awe" campaign. This campaign aimed to neutralize Iraq's air defenses and strategic infrastructure, including power plants and communication centers.

In the early days of the conflict, U.S. forces targeted Iraq's air defense systems with a combination of cruise missiles, precision-guided bombs, and electronic warfare assets. This allowed U.S. and coalition aircraft to operate with relative impunity, and enabled them to strike targets on the ground with precision and accuracy.

Overall, the air campaign against Iraq's air defense systems was a significant success for U.S. and coalition forces, allowing them to gain air superiority and operate with minimal threat from Iraqi air defenses.

 

[Bonk]

During the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraq had a variety of air defense systems, including surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), anti-aircraft guns, and radar systems. These systems were primarily Soviet-era equipment that is still being used in Russia today!!!

In addition to SAMs, Iraq had a significant number of anti-aircraft guns, including the ZSU-23-4, which was a 23mm mobile anti-aircraft gun. Iraq also had a number of fixed anti-aircraft guns, including the Soviet-made S-60 57mm anti-aircraft gun still being used by Russia today!!!

Overall, Iraq's air defense systems were not particularly effective against the US and coalition forces, which had a significant technological and tactical advantage. Many of Iraq's air defense systems were destroyed in the opening stages of the war, and US and coalition aircraft were able to operate with relative impunity for much of the conflict.

During the invasion, many of Iraq's air defense systems were quickly overwhelmed by the sheer volume and sophistication of US and coalition air power. The exact numbers of air defense systems destroyed or disabled during the conflict are not publicly available, but it's clear that the US and coalition forces were able to gain air superiority relatively quickly.

Department of Defense has reported that coalition forces carried out over 41,000 sorties and dropped more than 22,000 bombs and missiles during the initial "shock and awe" campaign. This campaign aimed to neutralize Iraq's air defenses and strategic infrastructure, including power plants and communication centers.

In the early days of the conflict, U.S. forces targeted Iraq's air defense systems with a combination of cruise missiles, precision-guided bombs, and electronic warfare assets. This allowed U.S. and coalition aircraft to operate with relative impunity, and enabled them to strike targets on the ground with precision and accuracy.

Overall, the air campaign against Iraq's air defense systems was a significant success for U.S. and coalition forces, allowing them to gain air superiority and operate with minimal threat from Iraqi air defenses.

Russia uses none of those SAMs. If Iraq had S-300, it would’ve wrecked American airforce.

I know Americans like to blow a loud trumpet with propaganda to push an agenda that it’s invincible but Iraq is a terrible example for anyone who knows about military capabilities.

1990 UN arms embargo on Iraq:

A United Nations Security Council mandated arms embargo has existed on Iraq in various forms since 1990 in Resolution 661.

UN arms embargo on Iraq | SIPRI

A United Nations Security Council mandated arms embargo has existed on Iraq in various forms since 1990 in Resolution 661. Until 2003, the arms embargo applied to the whole territory of Iraq. However following the war in Iraq in 2003, and the fall of the regime, the embargo has been modified in...

www.sipri.org

^In essence, Iraq was basically disarmed for 13years before the US invaded. It couldn’t buy new military equipment & couldn’t get parts for its military hardware that were American & Soviet made.

That’s not a country you want to brag about defeating although the US eventually lost the war to insurgents with the help of Iran.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Audio?


The audio is as real as the WMD in Iraq. Let's act like we haven't seen a lot of these fugazi audio recordings in Ukraine & like almost half of CIA isn't bilingual & they don't speak both English & Russian fluently.

This is pathetic. Just take theL comrade.

I see you glossed over US getting clearance from the Russian command before attacking.

Both sides had open communication in Syria as to prevent bombing the other by accident and creating an international incident. This was widely reported on at the time.

You also glossed over the fact that the US deployed all its best assets against forces that weren't equipped for it since they were gathering to attack ISIS but ended up inflicting minimal damage.

Minimal damage? The entire attacking force was wiped out. Are you on drugs breh?

Anyway, you can pout & beat ya chest from now till eternity but it doesn't negate the fact that you can't win a war from the air & against formidable military with sophisticated/complex AD & SAMs - you'd still have to throw bodies in trenches & fight for every inch.

Nope. The US has over 1,000 5th generation stealth aircraft designed specifically to avoid detection from ground attack missiles. As explained to you before during the Gulf War the US flooded the AO with dummy drones that confused the Soviet missile systems and then went in jet fighters and destroyed all the sites. The US has over 14,000 fixed wing aircraft it can deploy to any theater which will massively overwhelm any enemy defenses.

Also, don't ignore the link in my previous post - read it to rid yourself off your delusional trait. No army is invincible.

Done here.

I don’t care about a couple of minor ambushes in a low intensity conflict like Iraq or Afghanistan . I’m talking about a massive conventional war. Like one Russia is getting its ass kicked at by US hand me down weapon systems right now.


This is what the world looks like to the American military

You probably live no more than a few miles from a U.S. military base

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

 

[Bonk]

This is pathetic. Just take theL comrade.




Both sides had open communication in Syria as to prevent bombing the other by accident and creating an international incident. This was widely reported on at the time.



Minimal damage? The entire attacking force was wiped out. Are you on drugs breh?


Nope. The US has over 1,000 5th generation stealth aircraft designed specifically to avoid detection from ground attack missiles. As explained to you before during the Gulf War the US flooded the AO with dummy drones that confused the Soviet missile systems and then went in jet fighters and destroyed all the sites. The US has over 14,000 fixed wing aircraft it can deploy to any theater which will massively overwhelm any enemy defenses.



I don’t care about a couple of minor ambushes in a low intensity conflict like Iraq or Afghanistan . I’m talking about a massive conventional war. Like one Russia is getting its ass kicked at by US hand me down weapon systems right now.


This is what the world looks like to the American military

You probably live no more than a few miles from a U.S. military base

Breh, sorry to say this, your whole premise is daft. Even ‘Orbital-Fetus’ has presented more logical arguments. Yours is basically just garbage in & garbage out.

Let’s even agree that the US killed 200 Syrian x Wagner forces trying to storm ISIS stronghold - no one with a brain would suggest that it’s the total number of forces they had there. 200 is a Company - why would anyone use a mere company to attack an ISIS stronghold unless they’re suicidal?

Your logic: Oh, Syrian x WAGNER forces = Russian forces & cos the US bombed them DESPITE getting clearance from Russia before the air strike & bombardment - it means the US wrecked Russia.


Ok, smart arse, let’s use your logic in Afghanistan:

A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, along with seven Afghan commandos. It was the deadliest single incident for American forces in the decade-long war.

The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene.

U.S. officials confirmed to NBC News that the U.S. believes the helicopter was shot down. One senior defense official, speakng on condition of anonymity, said the military does "not have any indication that it was anything other than" hostile fire.

31 US troops, mostly elite Navy SEALs, killed in Afghanistan

A military helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

www.nbcnews.com

^These are the most elite US forces. Based on your logic about what happened in Syria - Taliban is also a more powerful army than the US, no? They didn’t even include the US forces that got into firefight with Taliban who called for backup that got wrecked.

I still don’t know how an observation about trench warfare not being obsolete between countries that are peers cos there won’t be air superiority got to this. A lot of you are just delusional & love going off on a tangent to make an illogical non-existent point. The US has never even won a war post WW2.

Man, relax - not everyone is dumb enough to be swayed by propaganda. Done with you - I’m serious this time.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Breh, sorry to say this, your whole premise is daft. Even ‘Orbital-Fetus’ has presented more logical arguments. Yours is basically just garbage in & garbage out.

Let’s even agree that the US killed 200 Syrian x Wagner forces trying to storm ISIS stronghold - no one with a brain would suggest that it’s the total number of forces they had there. 200 is a Company - why would anyone use a mere company to attack an ISIS stronghold unless they’re suicidal?

We have audio documentation, Wagner personal records documentation, independent documentation that this attack occurred. I’m not about to get sucked into your retardation. You prove that the attack didn’t occur.


We got tens of thousands of Russians dying right now charging into Ukrainian lines without air or armor support and you want me to explain to you why they do it

Your logic: Oh, Syrian x WAGNER forces = Russian forces & cos the US bombed them DESPITE getting clearance from Russia before the air strike & bombardment - it means the US wrecked Russia.

Wagner makes up the bulk of Russian military assets in Ukraine right now. They are getting their shyt pushed in by ancient US weaponry right now. Again, I can’t explain to you why they want to die by the thousands for nothing but they are so you gotta accept that comrade

Ok, smart arse, let’s use your logic in Afghanistan:

A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, along with seven Afghan commandos. It was the deadliest single incident for American forces in the decade-long war.

The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene.

U.S. officials confirmed to NBC News that the U.S. believes the helicopter was shot down. One senior defense official, speakng on condition of anonymity, said the military does "not have any indication that it was anything other than" hostile fire.

31 US troops, mostly elite Navy SEALs, killed in Afghanistan

A military helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

www.nbcnews.com

^These are the most elite US forces. Based on your logic about what happened in Syria - Taliban is also a more powerful army than the US, no? They didn’t even include the US forces that got into firefight with Taliban who called for backup that got wrecked.

So the deadliest incident in 20 years for the US military in Afghanistan was an ambush of a helicopter? And this means what exactly? The Russians lost 300 soldiers against the U.S. military in 4 hours. They have lost 60kia and 200,000 wounded in 1 year in Ukraine

I still don’t know how an observation about trench warfare not being obsolete between countries that are peers cos there won’t be air superiority got to this. A lot of you are just delusional & love going off on a tangent to make an illogical non-existent point. The US has never even won a war post WW2.

Man, relax - not everyone is dumb enough to be swayed by propaganda. Done with you - I’m serious this time.

The US has no peer. That’s why we have a military base up the road from your house. That’s why we have military bases on the borders of every country we don’t have a military base in. Because no country wants to challenge the US militarily. You literally live under US imperium.


Iraq during the 1st gulf war had the 4th largest army in the world. Most of which was Soviet supplied. The US destroyed it in a month.


Let me link you again in case you missed it.




The US can touch you anywhere comrade.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

These are the most elite US forces. Based on your logic about what happened in Syria - Taliban is also a more powerful army than the US, no?

They shot down a helicopter...

 

[east]

idk how u guys can tolerate going on with that britbong, he can't even identify the parties to the conflict correctly... advancing on isil? they were down to a couple small pockets in the syrian and anbar deserts then, nowhere near DeZ.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

The US has no peer. That’s why we have a military base up the road from your house. That’s why we have military bases on the borders of every country we don’t have a military base in. Because no country wants to challenge the US militarily. You literally live under US imperium.

All your base are belong to US...

Don't ask me how.

 

[Georgiamuscle]

idk how u guys can tolerate going on with that britbong, he can't even identify the parties to the conflict correctly... advancing on isil? they were down to a couple small pockets in the syrian and anbar deserts then, nowhere near DeZ.

That fakkit lives in a western country aka US’s Lil Bro
How you make this country and become the lil bro
He’s just overcompensating for being irrelevant in his country while ADOS and America out here influencing the world

 

[Mister Terrific]

idk how u guys can tolerate going on with that britbong, he can't even identify the parties to the conflict correctly... advancing on isil? they were down to a couple small pockets in the syrian and anbar deserts then, nowhere near DeZ.

Probably lives across the street from Lakenheath RAF Lakenheath - Wikipedia

Has to hear those planes rattling his windows every morning

 

[Bonk]

idk how u guys can tolerate going on with that britbong, he can't even identify the parties to the conflict correctly... advancing on isil? they were down to a couple small pockets in the syrian and anbar deserts then, nowhere near DeZ.

Another spastic delusional clown.

This is an excerpt from New York Times (an American source):

Commanders of the rival militaries had long steered clear of the other by speaking through often-used deconfliction telephone lines. In the days leading up to the attack, and on opposite sides of the Euphrates River, Russia and the United States were backing separate offensives against the Islamic State in Syria’s oil-rich Deir al-Zour Province, which borders Iraq.

How a 4-Hour Battle Between Russian Mercenaries and U.S. Commandos Unfolded in Syria (Published 2018)

Interviews and newly obtained documents provide the Pentagon’s first public on-the-ground accounting of one of the bloodiest battles the military has faced in Syria since deploying to fight ISIS.

www.nytimes.com

^I guess NYT is also a Britbong that can’t identify the parties to the conflict directly, no?

You’re retarded. You can neither spell nor even write coherently & you most likely don’t have a GED. Probably one of those retards with learning difficulties/disabilities that joined the military to have a decent life. I’m gonna keep poking holes in your grandiose delusions.

Go get your GED & learn how to write coherently. The US military isn’t what you lot think it’s.

Don’t make me start posting shyt that would make a lot of you cry. I know it’s painful when people expose your delusional invincibility. US military ain’t all that.

 

[east]

Commanders of the rival militaries had long steered clear of the other by speaking through often-used deconfliction telephone lines. In the days leading up to the attack, and on opposite sides of the Euphrates River, Russia and the United States were backing separate offensives against the Islamic State in Syria’s oil-rich Deir al-Zour Province, which borders Iraq.

they're referring to totally different offensives from the one you did here, the russian one in the quote was in the syrian desert a hundred miles sw from DeZ city. it was an sdf controlled refinery ten miles east of DeZ they were massing against and you know it.

US military ain’t all that.

the us military owns you. we have air and naval supremacy over the entire planet so every breath you take and every fish you eat - even a swedish fish - is humanitarian aid from americans.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Don’t make me start posting shyt that would make a lot of you cry. I know it’s painful when people expose your delusional invincibility. US military ain’t all that.

Drop that ether.

Nobody is saying that the US military is invincible, so take that idea off of your projection. Even the US military overstands this and implements it within it's battle doctrine.

Does Russia do this?
Russia closing in on 200,000 casualties in a year...

Would you care to speak on that? For realreal, break that shyt down for me like I'm the idiot you say I am.
Get your shyt systematically dismantled by @Orbital-Fetus, brehs...

 

[Bonk]

they're referring to totally different offensives from the one you did here, the russian one in the quote was in the syrian desert a hundred miles sw from DeZ city. it was an sdf controlled refinery ten miles east of DeZ they were massing against and you know it.

the us military owns you. we have air and naval supremacy over the entire planet so every breath you take and every fish you eat - even a swedish fish - is humanitarian aid from americans.

No, it’s the same offensive. It’s the Battle of Khasham & it’s in Deir ez-Zor province. You’re the one who doesn’t know what you’re talking about. Take your L.

The only thing you own are dumb people who’re hoodwinked by your propaganda. Even your hawks in Pentagon know where it ends despite all the posturing in the media.

You should only be brazen enough to say that when you finally win a war. Till then, shut ya mouth. You’ll get wrecked by a host of countries out there & you know who to pick on.