I've seen enough: Jokic is a top 6 center of all-time

Jalether

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Center of course. As the OP argues.
Only 4 centers I rate above him all time

Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Hakeem

Bill with all due respect isn't on Jokic's level but with 11 rings, people are compelled to have him in their top 5 (not for me though)
 

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From an offensive standpoint he's the best.

On this site I have a track record of supporting everything 90s basketball, but he may arguably be the best center of all time once he retires.

He strikes me as someone that could conceivably retire while still in his prime though, based on how he perceives basketball as just a career and nothing more.
 

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Losing every time you face a 50 win team in the playoffs is not a good look tho


That's not really true though. Jazz and Clippers were both on pace for 50-win seasons, it was just a shortened season. You're basically wiping out his accomplishments from his two best postseasons just because one had a Covid break and the other had some upsets.

I agree that his resume is missing any wins over great teams, but saying over and over that he hasn't beat a 50-win team is disingenuous.
 

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For those who don't want to be prisoners of the moment, Jokic just turned 29 and has a title and 3 MVPs. Let's look back at where some other great centers were at 29.


Wilt at 29 didn't win a playoff series that year, but he did win his 2nd MVP. He had no rings.

Kareem at 29 missed the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row. He had 4 MVPs but just 1 title.

Moses Malone at 29 got knocked out of the playoffs in a 1st-round upset. He had 3 MVPs and 1 title, just like Jokic.

Hakeem at 29 missed the playoffs after 4 consecutive 1st-round exits the previous 4 years. He had no titles and not even a top-3 MVP finish.

David Robinson at 29 had just lost to the Jazz in the first round. At this point in his career he had no MVPs and had only won 2 playoff series.


Coliseum posters would have been going in on all of them the same way they're going at Jokic. Hell, Jokic is the only one of the five who actually won a playoff series the year he turned 29.
 
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That's not really true though. Jazz and Clippers were both on pace for 50-win seasons, it was just a shortened season. You're basically wiping out his accomplishments from his two best postseasons just because one had a Covid break and the other had some upsets.

I agree that his resume is missing any wins over great teams, but saying over and over that he hasn't beat a 50-win team is disingenuous.
So they didn’t win 50 games then
 
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