Which is why most of them don't know anything and shouldn't be catered to.
Jamal Crawford explains how Westbrook is viewed differently between players and "stat guys"
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tremonthustler1
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Analytics would keep someone like Jamal Crawford from ever getting the green light to do what he does because Jamal's performances varied so much. He could either go off for 50 or have nights where he couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. With structure, who just gives the ball to Crawford and "lets him cook?" Analytics are for the risk averse and with Jamal (and Westbrook sometimes) you just have to hope they're on that night.
Both can be right. And as far as Westbrook is concerned, the Coli is so bi-polar with him it's fascinating.
threattonature
Veteran
How do those things go together? I fully understand why and how the analytics community changed the game but as a fan of basketball doesn't mean I have to love the result of those changes. It makes sense to try and limit field goal attempts to layups at the rim and three pointers. The points per possession for those types of shots are by far the highest.I really believe this whole “stats guys ruined basketball” stems from insecurity of people who are too lazy or stupid to understand the mathematical concepts that drive why certain basketball choices are made.
I just hate that it's lead to this homogeneous style of play with so many teams looking exactly the same. I hate that it's lead to so many teams forgoing offensive rebounds and getting back on D as it's lead to a lot less fast breaks. I hate that the midrange game is being downplayed so much as I used to love seeing players go one on one and showcase the footwork and pumpfakes to get those shots off. I hate seeing so many three pointers being shot. Coincidentally I think those two factors actually play a role in Russ getting so many triple doubles as there aren't as many teams going as hard for offensive rebounds plus with so many more threes being shot it leads to more long rebounds.
I love seeing flawed players like Russ that break the mold. He's style won't necessarily win a championship as the main guy but he's entertaining as hell which as a fan is the thing I care most about. I personally don't hate the analytics community and understand why teams lean into their analytics department as winning is the ultimate goal of organizations. One thing I do think his a blind spot of analytics is the domino effect of basketball.
One example is with post ups and how they are killed for being inefficient. Yes an actual postup itself may not be great in the points per possession with post ups involved. But that post up threat can cause teams to adjust their defense coverages to prevent post entries which opens things up for the rest of the offense. Since an actual post up doesn't occur on the play it won't show up in the final stats. Or even with someone like Russ, since he's so aggressive teams know they have to try and prevent from giving him an opening to the rim so they'll have to account for him at all times. That leaves room for cutting or creating openings off ball even on plays where Russ may not touch the ball.
Rigby.
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Swagnificent a different type of poster bro 
Breh ignored 50% of basketball’s history and its creator to get them posts off
Breh ignored 50% of basketball’s history and its creator to get them posts off
If you (or a team) has found an inefficiency in the game, and post ups are one of them....then by all means, exploit that inefficiency. That's literally the entire point of analytics to begin with.
I'll say it again on this board because it always gets overlooked by these morons here....
If the league decides that they don't want to see a polarized game of basketball (that is...long threes and short layups)....then set up the table so that those shots are less attractive to take. You probably can't really do anything about the layups. But you can do things about the three pointers. And you know what will happen? The analytics will find an inefficiency elsewhere and if that means more post-up play....if it means a slower paced, methodical game around bigs near the basket...if it means more ISO and midrange and man to man...then that's what you're going to see, and those are the types of players that will be drafted and developed.
And you know what else will happen after a decade or so of that? Fans will complain and bytch about that style of play....and then the league will do something else to further evolve the game.
It's almost like people insist they have this sense of basketball history and completely ignore the state of the game 20 years ago.
IF ZONE DEFENSES COME IN, STARS MAY GO OUT.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
You stay saying a lot without saying anything at all. Keep copying and pasting other folks thoughts
I don’t know how I could make it any clearer
Maybe you are just incredibly ignorant.
Posting other people’s thoughts isn’t what I was doing. I was supporting my post with evidence. Something you ought to try some time.
Lakerman0834
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the analytics state mid range woat shot but every championship team pas decade or so ate off the mid range
Analytics doesn’t say that. The argument is that players weren’t shooting them at an efficient enough rate to justify the volume in which they were being taken. The rate of 3PA today is basically the equal to the rate of mid range attempts 20 years ago
Over an extended period of time a 50% mid-range shooter is basically the equivalent to a 33% person 3-pt shooter. The difference is that over half the league can hit the 3 at a 33% clip, but you’d be lucky to find 20 that can hit the middy at a 50% clip
O.T.I.S.
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Yeah, I am.so you're saying 3 teams boxed out for Westbrook?
Beyond stupid.
Ask Steven Adams
There’s a reason Houston got rid of his ass too
I’m stupid because it’s widely known AND VIDEO PROOF of these nikkas literally boxing everyone out just so Russ can grab boards
Not gonna even bother looking for the videos, go do your own googles clown
Career 43% shooter and 30% from 3 during the 3pt era and 7/11 seasons shooting below 30%
yea ima ignore that and the fact that his style of play and crazy numbers Dont and will never translate to winning basketball, ever.
yea ima ignore that and the fact that his style of play and crazy numbers Dont and will never translate to winning basketball, ever.
KillerB88
Superstar
He has a winning regular season and playoff record.
Yeah, I am.
Ask Steven Adams
There’s a reason Houston got rid of his ass too
I’m stupid because it’s widely known AND VIDEO PROOF of these nikkas literally boxing everyone out just so Russ can grab boards
Not gonna even bother looking for the videos, go do your own googles clown
You're stupid as fukk
Westbrook is Houston 27.2 ppg 8rpg 7 apg shooting 47%..
Did you know that Westbrook was #1 in PER the year he won the MVP? Did you know the last year Durant was on OKC the PER list went Steph/Durant/Westbrook as 1,2,3 for PER..
O.T.I.S.
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You're stupid as fukk
Westbrook is Houston 27.2 ppg 8rpg 7 apg shooting 47%..
Did you know that Westbrook was #1 in PER the year he won the MVP? Did you know the last year Durant was on OKC the PER list went Steph/Durant/Westbrook as 1,2,3 for PER..
Aight bytch, think whatever you want about this stat-padding ass nikka
too early in the morning to be arguing with clowns
I really believe this whole “stats guys ruined basketball” stems from insecurity of people who are too lazy or stupid to understand the mathematical concepts that drive why certain basketball choices are made.
So NBA players are "stupid" and "lazy" according to you?
Ok white boy.
