Jay Z fell off more than Eminem

[The Devil's Advocate]

Buffalo bill is kinda untouchable, breh.
Rock bottom is untouchable, and the definitive poor struggle song of the 99- into the 2000's.
If I had a dollar is still as definitive a keep it real record in the history of rap and was on a release as an unknown that catapulted em to a higher draw than a failed jiggy associated jay as a draw with puff.

This board is really showing they are just pop rap fans and don't know actual skill in emcee'n with the comments i am reading in this thread.

There is no way to champion jay over Eminem culturally in hip hop, period.

Art Barr

first off how in the holy hell is drug dealers a pop record

second... again... we are talking MUSIC... not just bars in a vacuum.. i fully agreed that in a vacuum, em has the bars

but ain't nobody bumping any em records anymore... cause they fukking suck


how in the entire fukk are you saying THIS is untouchable??


Better watch out, sucka now I gotcha where I want ya
Onslaught, comin and I'm packin in my lunch up
Bunch of, missile launchers and a bunch of contra-
-band, van full of ganja, now come on jump
Man stop, mashin Marshall on my gotcha
Doin the cha-cha and the cucaracha with a quadra-
-plegic, boogeyin down to Frank Sinatra
Lindsay to the Lohan naked while you let me watch ya
Who'da knew the buddah do to me what it's done
Such cynicism when this isn't in my system
Blunt hypnotism, lift the spliff up to my lips son
So much on my hands I got to give my kids a fist bump
Christo-pher Reeves swimmin in my swim trunks
"Mister, help me" 's what he said to me and then sunk
Women skinning and then cutting them up in chunks
In comes the woman with cocoa butter skin once




with a corny ass accent and weird middle eastern ass beat... are you fukking kidding me right now... as a song??

y'all trolling right?




vs






and rock bottom is a classic... and also within the first 3 albums which wasn't apart of anything i was talking about

 

[Playaz Eyez]

I'm not one of those people who thought BP 3 was complete trash. I really liked a few songs from it. But Jay's trend hopping is so obvious on it and his flow is such a fall from grace that I can't ignore it. Meanwhile while Eminem may have shytty hooks and some shytty beats, his rhyming still impresses me. The blueprint and volume 1 are some of my favorite hip hop albums of all time, I rank them very high. But I don't let them cloud my judgment. I don't enjoy Jay after BP2. I think the black album is a very overrated album. American gangster was good, but is overrated by Jay stans. But after that, i am much more impressed by Em than Jayz

Agree about Black Album being very overrated, but I just don't see how anyone could be impressed by anything Em has done lately. His best overall album was Eminem Show. That was in 2002, 14 years ago. That is atrocious. In 14 years, Em (solo wise) has put out 3 mediocre to bad albums. That is embarrassing for someone considered a GOAT. In that same timeframe, Jay has put out a good yet very overrated Black Album, an ok Kingdom Come, a dope American Gangster, a decent yet extremely commercial BP3, and an alright yet forgettable MCHG. Just on sheer numbers alone Jay gets the nod. Em's main problem is the same as 50 Cent --- he completely forgot what a good beat sounds like.

Also, Em has put so much effort and energy into the technical aspects of rapping, that he forgot how to simply make an overall good song. He's the 100% definition of a "rappity rapper" now. Give me Already Home, Ignorant shyt, FWMYKIGI, and Success 100 times over Seduction, Crack A Bottle, Rap God, and Beautiful.

 

[msa13]

Em's first three albums

 

[raoulduke187]

I disagree

Jay-Z was never good in the first place

 

[No1]

Well I'm kind of biased as I'm not a Kayne fan but WTT just made me want a Jay solo.

And I still get plenty of those "damn" moments from Jay depending on what kind of track he's going for. "Thank You" off BP3 is legenadry slick talk, vulgar and elegant all at the same time.


For one, Jay's part on that song was dope, but it wasn't THAT dope. I would def say a song like Deja Vu trumps that one off verse, seduction, stay wide awake, but that's me though.

You're in another world with these Em opinions. I guess you're still awestruck by highly "technical" shyt and most of us are off that. Those type of guys are not popular right now for a reason. Emcees that spit like Jay never go out of style because dope wordplay is dope wordplay. With Em, it's more about the flows he uses and rhyme schemes. It doesn't work when people are not impressed by the trick anymore and your voice and production have gotten more annoying. We all just kind of passed Em by. I go back and listen to some of his old shyt and still call it classic because of what it meant to me at the time, but I barely listen to it. I don't think there's a single Eminem album that I can listen to all the way through besides the Eminem Show and that's not his best performance.

 

[Chip Skylark]

first off how in the holy hell is drug dealers a pop record

second... again... we are talking MUSIC... not just bars in a vacuum.. i fully agreed that in a vacuum, em has the bars

but ain't nobody bumping any em records anymore... cause they fukking suck


how in the entire fukk are you saying THIS is untouchable??


Better watch out, sucka now I gotcha where I want ya
Onslaught, comin and I'm packin in my lunch up
Bunch of, missile launchers and a bunch of contra-
-band, van full of ganja, now come on jump
Man stop, mashin Marshall on my gotcha
Doin the cha-cha and the cucaracha with a quadra-
-plegic, boogeyin down to Frank Sinatra
Lindsay to the Lohan naked while you let me watch ya
Who'da knew the buddah do to me what it's done
Such cynicism when this isn't in my system
Blunt hypnotism, lift the spliff up to my lips son
So much on my hands I got to give my kids a fist bump
Christo-pher Reeves swimmin in my swim trunks
"Mister, help me" 's what he said to me and then sunk
Women skinning and then cutting them up in chunks
In comes the woman with cocoa butter skin once




with a corny ass accent and weird middle eastern ass beat... are you fukking kidding me right now... as a song??

y'all trolling right?




vs






and rock bottom is a classic... and also within the first 3 albums which wasn't apart of anything i was talking about

Bro they rhyming on buffalo bill is superb. There is litetally a handful of rappers that can pull that off and sound as good as Em doing it. It's so impressive and it sounds incredible. You can argue that no one wants to hear him talk about hacking body parts and the same could be argued that no one wants to hear a 50 and 40 year old rap about selling drugs. It's all a story and at the end of the day entertainment.

Em out rapped Push and Jay when comparing those two songs.

 

[Gangstar8]

Eminem the goat rapper

 

[DontEemTry]

Jay's problem is he was always a trend hopper but he did it so effortlessly it never hurt him.. until now

Oh? Hov hurtin out here?

The Coli is like an alternate universe I swear.

 

[Art Barr]

Buffalo bill is perfect. Jay hasn't been that close to perfection since black album

.
That would be the same black album he did not pen.
So, that means jay has not been great since at least volume III.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Em's first three albums

The only bad in spots Eminem album is the throwaway quick release album with fack on it.
Past that em has no bad albums and nikkaz in this community are showing their lack of emcee knowledge, culture and a host other variables when talking about Eminem.

Not to mention nikkaz in here trying to act like trap music is not horror core just like most of eminem's records.
To the point the lead off future record everyone loved about Gucci flip flops on dsii. Directly is a play on an Eminem beat off top.
Plus, are we going to address nikkaz also attempting and failing to shark em as well for a long time now like nobody noticed but I have and always have talked about it.
Eminem has always posted higher reviews than jayz albums consistently when I reviewed them as well.
To the point I have not given a positive review of a jay akbum since volume III. The one dark horse album of jay's brought up almost quarterly on here like people just discovered it.

While no one talks about any recent or current jay album in high esteem at all on any level. Especially, when skill or quality of record is concerned.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

You're in another world with these Em opinions. I guess you're still awestruck by highly "technical" shyt and most of us are off that. Those type of guys are not popular right now for a reason. Emcees that spit like Jay never go out of style because dope wordplay is dope wordplay. With Em, it's more about the flows he uses and rhyme schemes. It doesn't work when people are not impressed by the trick anymore and your voice and production have gotten more annoying. We all just kind of passed Em by. I go back and listen to some of his old shyt and still call it classic because of what it meant to me at the time, but I barely listen to it. I don't think there's a single Eminem album that I can listen to all the way through besides the Eminem Show and that's not his best performance.

You're in another world with these Em opinions. I guess you're still awestruck by highly "technical" shyt and most of us are off that. Those type of guys are not popular right now for a reason. Emcees that spit like Jay never go out of style because dope wordplay is dope wordplay. With Em, it's more about the flows he uses and rhyme schemes. It doesn't work when people are not impressed by the trick anymore and your voice and production have gotten more annoying. We all just kind of passed Em by. I go back and listen to some of his old shyt and still call it classic because of what it meant to me at the time, but I barely listen to it. I don't think there's a single Eminem album that I can listen to all the way through besides the Eminem Show and that's not his best performance.

First off jay is out of style young nikkaz don't fukk with that or ye as of right now either. If we talembout decline of draw for either artist.
Which shows your bias in this.
So, you basically like cliche thug pop based rap and you liking eminem show proves it cause that is eminem's me against the world tribute legacy to Pac album meets sounds of eight mile album.
I don't have issues going back to listen to cultural emcees.
The problem is people think this culture based music is pop a d that attitude is also why rap is such low quality right now.
This whole Eminem is skilled so imma try to fault him for being skilled and culture based is a false fukk'n narrative predicated on being wack cause you have Mecca envy and don't respect the culture of hiphop.
You are just as bad as a wigga who is racist with that bullshyt.
As you disrespect the culture of hiphop is the same uber verse narcissistic manner and ploy, just from a different angle and vessel.


Art Barr

nikkaz be trying to talk about rap records and really don't know the culture, or emcee'n like that to even rate a rap record.
Which is why rap is so stagnated and dead as a draw . All because the pop audience is fronting like they know hip hop and they do not.

 

[SunZoo]

You're in another world with these Em opinions. I guess you're still awestruck by highly "technical" shyt and most of us are off that. Those type of guys are not popular right now for a reason. Emcees that spit like Jay never go out of style because dope wordplay is dope wordplay. With Em, it's more about the flows he uses and rhyme schemes. It doesn't work when people are not impressed by the trick anymore and your voice and production have gotten more annoying. We all just kind of passed Em by. I go back and listen to some of his old shyt and still call it classic because of what it meant to me at the time, but I barely listen to it. I don't think there's a single Eminem album that I can listen to all the way through besides the Eminem Show and that's not his best performance.

I'm not in another world we just don't agree.



Beautiful and Deja Vu aren't great songs because they are technically sound or rippity rap.

It's plenty of people that fukk with that album, the opinions on it are polarizing like everything it is with Eminem, I just don't go around attaching the word "we" to my opinion to give it a boost or pay much attention to who's popular...shyt Designer is popular right now, who gives a shyt?

As for Jay I agree with your point there, Jay is and will always be more versatile and have the ability to jump on some shyt like La Familia and coast/not get in the way. But to me that's less about rapping ability and more about direction.

Either way, I anticipate hearing from both of these dudes more than any of this new shyt. I don't feel entitled to tell them how they should rap or what they should talk about, they're solid with me at this point as legends, I never been a "what have you done for me lately" type nikka, I appreciate the art too much for that.

;

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Could you relate to Jay when he was talking about Maybach's and the clearport? Jay is the most unrelatable rap superstar there is

People can relate to rich raps as aspirations

Eminem's raps are deranged fantasy emo trash

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

You cant relate to Em's music but you can relate to Jay's last albums?
I guess it's true, the coli is full of filthy rich ppl.

Having said that, OP is an idiot

You can relate to Eminem's middle aged ass making anthems for bullied 12 yr olds with tracks like I'm not afraid.



Get that corny trash out of here..

 

[NoChillJones]

BP3 may not have been Jays best but after 4 years the album still goes. Recovery sounds dated now. After I got over the fact Em was spitting again it became less and less impressive.