Jay Z fell off more than Eminem

[The Devil's Advocate]

After 2007? Eminem. Jay has been blessed with some of the greatest beats and production ever, yet ruins it as soon as he starts rapping. Song ruined. Eminem has had some of the worst beats ever and set them joints ablaze. And frankly, em's newer music is more relatable than Jay's if we wanna take it there. Not afraid is a very relatable song about overcoming an addiction or struggle. Deja vu is an eerie tale of being in the middle of drug addiction. You're never over is a tribute to a fallen homie. Going thru changes is being in the middle of depression and dealing with it. All real life issues. All his other bullshyt is just entertainment, only on the Coli do people try and "relate" and take it seriously. What's relatable about Picasso baby and tom ford

You and Art keep gliding over the point

Look prince was technically better. He played instruments and had ill arrangements and was a fukking legend

But when you hop in the car you throwing on Michael first. Cause the music was hitting.


I don't sit around listening to Jay like "hmmmmm how does this relate to my life"

I listen to music in total. Beats, rhymes, flow, hook... You know. A total song

I am not able to just subtract a trash ass beat, corny hook, and lyrics I don't care about and say "but damn he rhymed that multi back to back 24 times in 6 bars bro"

I appreciate it. I'll hit the "wooooooo". I'll rewind it back.

But I'm not riding around listening to that shyt. Cause the music is terrible. I'm not in the club focusing on lyrics. Which is why em has no club music. Which is crazy cause he got Dre.


Now why is it em did all this before. First 3 albums was full of masterful beats and he still kept the skill tip top and still made great music


Now the beats suck by y'all owns words. And the classics are ten times better than the current. But somehow I'm not supposed to factor that in when talking about rap music?

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

My thing is what happened to the Internet rap community? People on the Internet when I started using it to browse forums used to only care about lyrics. I come here and it's some "I can't get jiggy to this shyt" bullshyt, dismissing lyrics and flow

I can respect dope lyrics, but if I ain't feeling the beat I can't listen to it. Only a couple of artists who I can do that with like Ras Kass, Nas, Immortal Technique, Eminem, and couple others who don't have the best beat selection.

 

[Edub]

nikkaz hating on Eminem cause they weak ass probably rhyme and don't really wanna apply themselves.
Plus are so delusional they think they are going to sell enough crack to get distribution from freeze record via priority in 2o16.

When it ain't happening and you know you can't rhyme well.
Plus, think you supposed to have an easy ride to some draw in rap. when it is a fukkin fallacy and a false narrative you have fooled yourself with.

You not fooling the public with your wack rhyme skills and unless you sell your soul you not getting on.
Nor will you be championed in a grassroots manner.

You know this is true so why keep lying to yourself.
You nikkaz don't post right and definitely not nice on the MIC to get anywhere and you and I know.
so, so stop trying to create a bullshyt argument.
So it can aid yo lack of skill having ass.


nikkaz ain't never ripped not one mic and never tore it down in a venue.
Give it up, you scared of Eminem and the reality is he would serve yo goof ass, period.

That is to anyone who has issue with Eminem.
The reality is yo crank ass know you would get served.
so stop making fukk'n excuses cause you not skilled, not cultural and not willing to even study this shyt to get skilled.

Stop fooling yourselves,......


Art Barr

Wanna be MC's/Battle rappers/writers aren't the only nikkas that feel like Em is lacking ...I don't rap nor intend to...but know my culture, and can say with great understanding Em leaves much to be desired from the mc'ing standpoint. Content matters....Idgaf if the rappers from insane clown posse (no dis to juggalos out there) learned to be technically savvy and advanced wit the spit...they content is BOGUS... this is coming from a listeners view(the view that should be most important to em)....imma kick facts...Em was the first rapper to truly establish a stanning core in hip hop ...like minajs barbies ...50's gunit etc etc.... but the problem is when you have a "beehive" of fans you catering to your content becomes singular and your growth dwindles as an artist. Em chose the gimmick early....MC's don't gimmick, hip hop is raw from the heart...not just saying outlandish raw things to shock your loyal zombie fanbase into satisfaction. True MC's can't be props ...50 tried he's been swimming up stream ever since. Rap is not pop if you call it that then stop. Jay went pop tryin to be a prop and he's swimming up stream too. Ye' went pop trying to be a prop and he getting his swim on too. After Rawkus Em was ALWAYS popcorn.

 

[Art Barr]

My thing is what happened to the Internet rap community? People on the Internet when I started using it to browse forums used to only care about lyrics. I come here and it's some "I can't get jiggy to this shyt" bullshyt, dismissing lyrics and flow

It is because every nikka thinks they ca rap and know that they can't and since Eminem paid his dues for real.
The same dues they won't ever committ to culturally or skillwise.
They raise this bullshyt drfeatist weak nigg argument to dismiss skills.

shyt is dumb and plays right into these devils behind the prison industrial complex's plan.


Art Barr

nikkaz who don't apply themselves in rap are the only people who hate on eminem.

It is jealousy and they know they not going and never been and never tore down one open mic.
So, they try to discredit what everyone in the know knows what they won't do.

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

The funny thing is, Em was never on. He didn't get play in the hood, didn't get play in the clubs, aint never had a crew, didn't get mixtapes poppin, never had hot 97 or power 105 going crazy

you must have only gotten into hip hop around the year 2010 because 95% of this is untrue.

 

[Love Sosa]

I'm not saying beats don't matter, I'm saying modern Jay is so bad, he ruins them. Y'all don't even want to know the look of disgust on my face when I heard "new watch alert" on that one song.

Y'all are constantly defending a man who said "I dumbed down my audience to double my dollars". I respect the hustle, but his music been wack for awhile.

 

[Art Barr]

Wanna be MC's/Battle rappers/writers aren't the only nikkas that feel like Em is lacking ...I don't rap nor intend to...but know my culture, and can say with great understanding Em leaves much to be desired from the mc'ing standpoint. Content matters....Idgaf if the rappers from insane clown posse (no dis to juggalos out there) learned to be technically savvy and advanced wit the spit...they content is BOGUS... this is coming from a listeners view(the view that should be most important to em)....imma kick facts...Em was the first rapper to truly establish a stanning core in hip hop ...like minajs barbies ...50's gunit etc etc.... but the problem is when you have a "beehive" of fans you catering to your content becomes singular and your growth dwindles as an artist. Em chose the gimmick early....MC's don't gimmick, hip hop is raw from the heart...not just saying outlandish raw things to shock your loyal zombie fanbase into satisfaction. True MC's can't be props ...50 tried he's been swimming up stream ever since. Rap is not pop if you call it that then stop. Jay went pop and he's swimming up stream too. After Rawkus Em was ALWAYS popcorn.

Tupac is the first stanning core in rap and Eminem is apart of that as well.
This whole post is based in a fallacy and false narrative.
The nikkaz who hate on em did not and will not apply themselves and they know it, period.

I know so cause I never seen the bulk of none of y'all draw in a grassroots manner.
Let alone actually build the type of draw to even speak ill of Eminem.

Eminem did what you nikkaz won't do and you know it and that is self defestist on your part.
Leave Eminem out if your own inadequacies.


Art Barr


How nikkaz don't wanna rap good and then try to hate in the guy who does.
It is hating from the sideline cause you know you getting ripped if yo ass hop on stage and you know it, just face it.
Exactly like queen latifah told flex about his tape in juice.

 

[Art Barr]

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I'm not saying beats don't matter, I'm saying modern Jay is so bad, he ruins them. Y'all don't even want to know the look of disgust on my face when I heard "new watch alert" on that one song.

Y'all are constantly defending a man who said "I dumbed down my audience to double my dollars". I respect the hustle, but his music been wack for awhile.

nikkaz delusional if they think jay is a quality listen in the manner he once was.
Jay's skill set is so far from being what it was it is ridiculous.


Art Barr

 

[Bald Head Ba$tard]

A nikka in here really said Em was "never on". I think he fell off with that Mashall Mathers 2 shyt, but COME on, mane. nikkaz really want to see what they want to see.....

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

fakkits that fantasize about hitting and raping women (90% of Eminem songs are about his ex wife, pathetic cac simp )

A lot of hood nikkas don't fantasize about it, they just do it. But you don't want to talk about that now do you? :yadontsay:

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

I'm not saying beats don't matter, I'm saying modern Jay is so bad, he ruins them. Y'all don't even want to know the look of disgust on my face when I heard "new watch alert" on that one song.

Y'all are constantly defending a man who said "I dumbed down my audience to double my dollars". I respect the hustle, but his music been wack for awhile.

Jay-z music always been hit or miss for me. I don't care what anybody says, but Eminems new shyt hot garbage.

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

A nikka in here really said Em was "never on". I think he fell off with that Mashall Mathers 2 shyt, but COME on, mane. nikkaz really want to see what they want to see.....

He's hated on the net mostly. I never hear people say dumb shyt like that outside the internet.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I havent enjoyed anything from Em in the last Decade.

Jay dropped American Gangster in 07 and imo is better than anything Em has ever put out.

Em is like a battle rapper where you must give them priased for their technical skill but when it comes to songs it aint for me.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

What eminem tried to prove in rap god was never proven. he has a sick flow and somehow can't ride the beat now....royce is better to me and I have no reason to listen to nasal cac voice now.

 

[Art Barr]

You and Art keep gliding over the point

Look prince was technically better. He played instruments and had ill arrangements and was a fukking legend

But when you hop in the car you throwing on Michael first. Cause the music was hitting.


I don't sit around listening to Jay like "hmmmmm how does this relate to my life"

I listen to music in total. Beats, rhymes, flow, hook... You know. A total song

I am not able to just subtract a trash ass beat, corny hook, and lyrics I don't care about and say "but damn he rhymed that multi back to back 24 times in 6 bars bro"

I appreciate it. I'll hit the "wooooooo". I'll rewind it back.

But I'm not riding around listening to that shyt. Cause the music is terrible. I'm not in the club focusing on lyrics. Which is why em has no club music. Which is crazy cause he got Dre.


Now why is it em did all this before. First 3 albums was full of masterful beats and he still kept the skill tip top and still made great music


Now the beats suck by y'all owns words. And the classics are ten times better than the current. But somehow I'm not supposed to factor that in when talking about rap music?

Em had one of the higher bds drawing club record on gci and the urban playlist twice.
With superman and his little club record.
GCi programs the national playlist so what the fukk are you talembout.
Nuffin cause this shyt is welled in jealousy...
Do you rap, cause real talk...you keep talking about all this bullshyt and Eminem has done what you speak on and has goen out of his genre numerous times.
To draw in the realm you say he does not make quality music in.
Plus he also has submissions as early as infinite that fit into what you speak of as well with tonite.

You just don't like Eminem. That is fine but you can not front and flodge on him.
Especially like you listening to some superior higher quality music when that is not true if we judging it sonically, or technically.
You talking like it is some nikka who is out there making this vanglorious submissions and all of rap is low quality song to song right now.
So, real talk what is all thus great music you pumping that stacks up and is so much better than Eminem.
You must be ignoring the actual rap parts like you admitted to in this post.

You should just go listen to some ghetto house music my nikka,...

If you want some shyt to listen to that has some raunchy lyrics and a driving beat for you to ride to.
As most of the music out now is pretty much hiphouse.

So, what are you saying....
You need some hiphouse to listen to....
shyt I came up around the out here brothers,....
Yet and still I ain't pumping no beat that bytch wit a bat like it takes precedent over a dope emcee.
Nor am I saying that a song with no actual real aptitude lyrically is worth a spin more than material with aptitude lyrically.




Art Barr

Y'all nikkaz be making me lol like y'all listening to some better music in yo car. You not,....music sucks right now.
So stop it.....