Jesus: "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

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The Jews of His day didn't understand or refused to understand that they were CHOSEN FOR A MISSION!!!! and they refused to carry it out (they refused G-d's Word and chose to live a lie), and because of this abdication of responsibility, the Christians (followers of the Anointed One, Jesus Christ) are the chosen elect.

uh, not exactly. we're grafted in.
there is a *remnant* that is still the elect.


Romans 11

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Israel’s Rejection Not Total​

11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

Israel’s Rejection Not Final​

11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their [b]fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their [c]fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [d]fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [e]goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has [h]committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Jesus said our chief aim in this small time on earth is to be more like Him, like G-d. I.e., we must be learning the word and carrying out G-d's will = understanding the word so we can increase in our understanding of G-d, and then share that understanding with others, and help other believers grow in the faith.

we help other believers come to faith by doing.
and in our doing, we proclaim the gospel.
the kingdom of God is here.

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if people who call themselves christian actually walked these things out, non-believers hearts will be changed and they will give glory to the Father.
 

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You’ll have better luck talking to a brick wall than trying to explain the blatant hypocrisy, oppression, genocide, misogyny, and straight up false information in the Bible.

It’s 2025 and some of y’all are still waiting for an imaginary sky daddy to come save you.
 

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I am a man of Yah, a follower of Christ, so yeah, you can call me a Christian.

I usually say G-d's name in prayer, but not outside of it out of fear of blasphemy.

That's how I'm wired.

:manny:
So you don’t know what you’re talking about. Ok
 

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Sounds like you are exhaulting Jesus over God. When Jesus is potentially a fictional character who himself says hes not that important:respect:
he is because his father says he is
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Since the decipherment of hieroglyphics, Egyptologists have interpreted the final element of the name (-ʿnêaḫ, -anḗkh) as containing the Egyptian word ꜥnḫ "life"; notably, Georg Steindorff in 1889 offered a full reconstruction of ḏd pꜣ nṯr iw.f ꜥnḫ "the god speaks [and] he lives" (Middle Egyptian pronunciation: ṣa pīr nata yuVf[n 1] anaḫ).
 

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there is a price to pay for embracing nonsense*
Sounds like you’ve been indoctrinated with fear. Almost cult like. :jbhmm: Look what your God has done to you.

Neg me all you want. The fact of the matter is when things don’t add up or make sense then you should question it. Otherwise you’re just a blind sheep.
 
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Sounds like you’ve been indoctrinated with fear. Almost cult like. :jbhmm: Look what your God has done to you.

Neg me all you want. The fact of the matter is when things don’t add up or make sense then you should question it. Otherwise you’re just a blind sheep.
did i neg you¿

i meant to rep you

you for sure got the wrong perspective on my post aHA

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uh, not exactly. we're grafted in.
there is a *remnant* that is still the elect.






we help other believers come to faith by doing.
and in our doing, we proclaim the gospel.
the kingdom of God is here.

peaugdg26ea81.jpg


if people who call themselves christian actually walked these things out, non-believers hearts will be changed and they will give glory to the Father.

The elect are those who are saved through Christ. If there are remnants of the original chosen out there, are they not saved through their faith in Christ or are they not in need of Christ in order to be saved?

:jbhmm:

I agree with the rest of what you said though.

Sounds like you are exhaulting Jesus over God. When Jesus is potentially a fictional character who himself says hes not that important:respect:

Not at all. I am saying Jesus is G-d's Word.

@Tair

i think you are confused by John the Baptist
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as far as the term "sword" it is literal and metaphysical. Unbelievers in the Old Testaments message will never understand Shamgar...

Thats why David slew Goliath without a sword

Explain further, please.

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So you don’t know what you’re talking about. Ok

I don't ascribe to every Christian custom. So, just because you grew up in a church and saw/heard other Christians of the faith not saying "G-d" or using a placeholder for His "name" doesn't mean Christians don't say that. We are all different, all have our own reasoning for things, but we align on what matters.

Whether some of us choose to spell out G-d or use a different reference point as opposed to the name itself, is not something that is important or exemplifies ignorance. It is just a quirk.

:manny:
 
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You’ll have better luck talking to a brick wall than trying to explain the blatant hypocrisy, oppression, genocide, misogyny, and straight up false information in the Bible.

It’s 2025 and some of y’all are still waiting for an imaginary sky daddy to come save you.

Thats short selling Christianity
 

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Ain't much changed. You mention Jesus around black people you gonna get nothing but white man this, slavery this, white man this, slavery that.
 
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