Jesus proven not to be the messiah

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nikkaz be fighting with all they might to disprove Jesus/God.

Just yield and give in nikka.

You can’t fight that feeling you have because he’s calling you and nudging at your heart.

The more you fight the worse it’s going to get.

Just surrender and submit to him lil’ nikka!

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nikkaz be fighting with all they might to disprove Jesus/God.

Just yield and give in nikka.

You can’t fight that feeling you have because he’s calling you and nudging at your heart.

The more you fight the worse it’s going to get.

Just surrender and submit to him lil’ nikka!

:mjlol:

Did you read anything that I’ve said throughout this thread?
 
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nikkaz be fighting with all they might to disprove Jesus/God.

Just yield and give in nikka.

You can’t fight that feeling you have because he’s calling you and nudging at your heart.

The more you fight the worse it’s going to get.

Just surrender and submit to him lil’ nikka!

:mjlol:
a challenger appears!
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“May the up-thruster thrust you up; do not abide in your own lair;

with the arrow of kāma that is terrible I pierce you in the heart.” (AV 3.25.1)

“The arrow feathered with longing, tipped with love [kāma],

necked with resolve, let love pierce you in the heart.” (AV 3.25.2)
 

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Jew is tribal affiliation. You can only be a Jew if your father is from the tribe of Judah.
For the benefit of the general readership, Mοrdοchai Bilshan is called מׇרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי throughout the M'gillah (see 5:13, 6:10, 8:7, 9:29, 9:31 and 10:3) even though he is a Ben-Y'mini, because the Hebrew term יְהוּדִי is a demonym derived from the name of our former kingdom and has never been limited only to those from the tribe of the same name:
אִ֣ישׁ יְהוּדִ֔י הָיָ֖הֿ בְּשׁוּשַׁ֣ן הַבִּירָ֑הֿ
וּשְׁמ֣וֹ מׇרְדֳּכַ֗י
בֶּ֣ן יָאִ֧יר בֶּן־שִׁמְעִ֛י בֶּן־קִ֖ישׁ
אִ֥ישׁ יְמִינִֽי׃
There was a certain Jew living in the capital Shushan;
his name was Mοrdοchai ben Ya´ir, a descendant of Shim`i ben Ḳish
a man of [the tribe] Binyamin. (Ester 2:5)
The language spoken in יְהוּדָה (i.e., Hebrew) is referred to in the Nach as יְהוּדִית (feminine form of יְהוּדִי) in M'lachіm Bet 18:26,28, Y'sha`yahu 36:11,13, Dіvrei Hayyamim Bet 32:18 (which all relate to the same incident), and also in N'ħemyah 13:24. But the language’s contemporary name (עִבְרִית) is not found in the Torah, the N'vi´im or the K'tuvim.

Thats why the folks in the land today call themselves Israelis which came about in 1948.
The term ‘Israeli’ is just an English transliteration of the Hebrew יִשְׂרְאֵלִי (the masculine inflexion of the adjective associated with the proper noun יִשְׂרָאֵל) with the first-person nationality suffix ־ִי -i (effectively equivalent to בֶּן־, the s'michut case of the absolute noun בֵּן). It is of Biblical origin and has been in use for thousands of years. It is declined:
יִשְׂרְאֵלִי yisr´eli (masculine singular) - Vayyiḳra 24:10, Sh'mu´el Bet 17:25
יִשְׂרְאֵלִית yisr´elit (feminine singular) - Vayyiḳra 24:10,11
יִשְׂרְאֵלִים‎ yisr´elim (masculine plural)
יִשְׂרְאֵלִיּוֹת yisr´eliyyot (feminine plural)
יִשְׂרְאֵלִי yisr´eli is very similar to other tribe-names such as אֲדֹמִי adοmi, יִשְׁמְעֵלִי yishm`eli, מוֹאָבִי mο´avi, עַמּוֹנִי `ammοni, עֲמָלֵקִי `amaleḳi etc., etc.. These are all masculine forms.
 
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For the benefit of the general readership, Mοrdοchai Bilshan is called מׇרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי throughout the M'gillah (see 5:13, 6:10, 8:7, 9:29, 9:31 and 10:3) even though he is a Ben-Y'mini, because the Hebrew term יְהוּדִי is a demonym derived from the name of our former kingdom and has never been limited only to those from the tribe of the same name:

The language spoken in יְהוּדָה (i.e., Hebrew) is referred to in the Nach as יְהוּדִית (feminine form of יְהוּדִי) in M'lachіm Bet 18:26,28, Y'sha`yahu 36:11,13, Dіvrei Hayyamim Bet 32:18 (which all relate to the same incident), and also in N'ħemyah 13:24. But the language’s contemporary name (עִבְרִית) is not found in the Torah, the N'vi´im or the K'tuvim.


The term ‘Israeli’ is just an English transliteration of the Hebrew יִשְׂרְאֵלִי (the masculine inflexion of the adjective associated with the proper noun יִשְׂרָאֵל) with the first-person nationality suffix ־ִי -i (effectively equivalent to בֶּן־, the s'michut case of the absolute noun בֵּן). It is of Biblical origin and has been in use for thousands of years. It is declined:

יִשְׂרְאֵלִי yisr´eli is very similar to other tribe-names such as אֲדֹמִי adοmi, יִשְׁמְעֵלִי yishm`eli, מוֹאָבִי mο´avi, עַמּוֹנִי `ammοni, עֲמָלֵקִי `amaleḳi etc., etc.. These are all masculine forms.
Yeah i'm familiar when the north and southern kingdoms split. The levites, jews, and benjamites lived together and were called jews. But technically they are not jews. They are Levites or from the tribe of the Tribe of Benjamin. The Northern Kingdom was known as Israel, until they fell off and became known as gentiles
 

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My honest take? All of the prophecies, the major ones in the OT & NT have failed, due to the constrict time guidelines they enforced on themselves.

OT, is the one we’re discussing.
NT, Jesus said before this generation passes all these things would happen. Didn’t happen.

Two major prophesies. Failed. And I’m gonna quote Deuteronomy 18:12 until I get it through. Something is not right.
If jesus isnt the messiah there is no messiah. Period.
 

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My apologies, it was late and I knew my response would be lacking.

But

Yeah, like I said: those things did happen. And honestly, they happened in ways so exact it’s almost eerie.

When Jesus said, “this generation won’t pass away until all these things take place”, He was talking about the fall of Jerusalem, and it happened 40 years later, just like He said.

The Romans completely destroyed the Temple in AD 70. There were signs in the sky, wars, false messiahs, mass persecution, believers fleeing to the mountains just like He warned in Luke 21. That generation literally saw it all.

Josephus (a Jewish historian who wasn’t even Christian) recorded events that sound exactly like Revelation imagery…like famine so bad mothers ate their own babies or Roman soldiers surrounding the city like vultures.

And Revelationa was written to 7 real churches under the Roman rule. Nero fits the “666” beast code exactly. The imperial cult forced people to worship Caesar or be banned from markets just like the mark of the beast. They had to burn incense to the emperor and get a certificate to buy or sell. It’s all documented history. Even the image of the beast was real: Domitian set up statues in temples and some say they used ventriloquism to make them “speak.”

That’s the first layer and it already hit perfectly.

Now the second layer is the typology part. The Bible uses patterns: Babylon wasn’t just a city, it’s a spirit. The Beast system didn’t die with Rome it grew throughout the years. So what they lived through was a preview of what’s coming worldwide: another false peace, another persecution, another final judgment. That’s what makes the prophecies so deep. They exist for past, present and future until the final ultimate return of Christ.

Little know example - Isaac carried his own wood up Mt Mariah to be sacrificed for sins because there was no lamb, but spared. Centuries later Jesus carried his wood (cross) in same Mt to be the sacrificial Lamb FOR our sin.

Passover (blood over door, angel of death over the evil) is a typology for now times+end times (blood of Christ, eternal death of all, at midnight) - get it?

So nah, the prophecies didn’t fail. They were super accurate. Most people just read them like modern fortune-telling, not texts written real people and future generations at the same time.
 

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My apologies, it was late and I knew my response would be lacking.

But

Yeah, like I said: those things did happen. And honestly, they happened in ways so exact it’s almost eerie.

When Jesus said, “this generation won’t pass away until all these things take place”, He was talking about the fall of Jerusalem, and it happened 40 years later, just like He said.

The Romans completely destroyed the Temple in AD 70. There were signs in the sky, wars, false messiahs, mass persecution, believers fleeing to the mountains just like He warned in Luke 21. That generation literally saw it all.

Josephus (a Jewish historian who wasn’t even Christian) recorded events that sound exactly like Revelation imagery…like famine so bad mothers ate their own babies or Roman soldiers surrounding the city like vultures.

And Revelationa was written to 7 real churches under the Roman rule. Nero fits the “666” beast code exactly. The imperial cult forced people to worship Caesar or be banned from markets just like the mark of the beast. They had to burn incense to the emperor and get a certificate to buy or sell. It’s all documented history. Even the image of the beast was real: Domitian set up statues in temples and some say they used ventriloquism to make them “speak.”

That’s the first layer and it already hit perfectly.

Now the second layer is the typology part. The Bible uses patterns: Babylon wasn’t just a city, it’s a spirit. The Beast system didn’t die with Rome it grew throughout the years. So what they lived through was a preview of what’s coming worldwide: another false peace, another persecution, another final judgment. That’s what makes the prophecies so deep. They exist for past, present and future until the final ultimate return of Christ.

Little know example - Isaac carried his own wood up Mt Mariah to be sacrificed for sins because there was no lamb, but spared. Centuries later Jesus carried his wood (cross) in same Mt to be the sacrificial Lamb FOR our sin.

Passover (blood over door, angel of death over the evil) is a typology for now times+end times (blood of Christ, eternal death of all, at midnight) - get it?

So nah, the prophecies didn’t fail. They were super accurate. Most people just read them like modern fortune-telling, not texts written real people and future generations at the same time.

I can dig it. I’m going to look into all of this. Thanks.
 
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This right here is what everyone should do.

Don't take one word I wrote and believe it. Go look it ALL up yourself, no bias.
another way to interpret everything you wrote is right here

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fundamentally the hidden knowledge lost from Genesis is the purpose of Egypt. They domesticated and cultivated food through speech...cause in their perspective Nun (the bottom of reality) nothing really was real so their speech made everything

this is why i still maintain to @Koichos the secret to the longevity of the jews is mobile temples,

They can zero in on solomons crystals and gold and shyt but they can never catch Aaron's breast plate :jbhmm:
 
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