Joe Budden: "NBA Youngboy is trash. He is horrible"

[Pazzy]

No lies were said

 

[JayStarwind]

It's true.

Wasn't nobody talking about "The Chronic" or "Illmatic" was for "teens", nikka

And Nas & Snoop were actually teens when they were making that shyt

Thank you! Hip Hop has always been catered to late teens - mid 20s. I'd say record labels try to target the early teens - early 20s group now, but the music being made isn't necessarily for them unless it's from the young rappers like Tjay, NLE, Yeat, Opium, etc.

I was just looking at a songs from 2004 thread on Twitter and it was so much variety in the sound AND age of artists. Trick Daddy, Cee Lo, Timbaland, Pharrell, Snoop, Big Boi, 8 Ball & MJG, Busta, Em, etc had hits that year and they all were 30+. That was balanced by Kanye, Wayne, J Kwon, Fab, T.I, Field Mob, Diplomats, G Unit, Crime Mob, etc whose ages ranged from 16-29. That's without mentioning the R&B

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Title is right and exact but the same can be said for Joe Buddens.

No it cannot breh

Budden didn't have commercial appeal

In no universe is NBA YB a better rapper than Joe Budden no matter how much y'all don't like Budden

 

[Kenny West]

Why we got to call Coli posters old heads on everything? Why we got to discredit Joe Budden every time he gives his music opinion lol?

I don’t care he has these kids locked-in. These are the same kids that like brown booty hole songs



I liked some of Young boys songs when he first hit the scene… but 700 songs later there’s no progress and everything he drops is ass.


I mean look at his response to Joe… is this the hill to die on

The whole "older people hate all new music, it's natural" shyt is a myth. It's just how nikkas make excuses for trash and try & seem hip at the same time. Anybody with a brain can see the clear downtrend this genre has been on for over a decade now. I was in my late teens calling Gucci & Future wack, nikkas was making the same excuses then too. Dudes try to say "y'all don't get it" as if there is something deep there that's going over someone's head, 99% of the appeal of any given modern song comes down to whether or not its catchy. Any standard for skill, creativity or lyricism was washed away ages ago.

Here's a fun experiment: Ask your parents/grandparents how MJ's Thriller album was received by adults. Were all adults hating on it because they're old or did they like it because it was good fukking music? Same with Destiny 's child, or Whitney Houston or Erykah Badu etc. I bet what they say won't be consistent with the excuse making in here. My mom likes Drake but wants to strangle me when I bump Playboi Carti in the wheel lol. There is a clear difference in quality that even I can acknowledge as someone who enjoys both.

Most of the pushback toward rap from older generations was based on explicit lyrics, now it's based on the shyt being a lazy half baked popularity contest where a meme campaign can bring you better results than a good verse. But these Peter Pan ass nikkas won't admit it because they wanna seem down

 

[ExodusNirvana]

This is the type of shyt that makes y'all It's the tunnel visioned, baseless, self righteousness

Just completely disregard the fact that some of these nikkas might be telling the truth about liking some of these artists. Nah it's impossible because some of them nikkas yall heroes and you can't fathom them having different taste than you

I remember this same shyt happened when Raekwon cosigned Wayne in 07. Them autistic ass Wu stans were juelzing their asses off. " hehe..he don't fukk with Wayne the labels made him do that collab" or maybe he actually meant what he said

It's hilarious that nikkas still do this with Young Thug despite numerous cosigns across ages and musical genres. Fukkin Elton John said Thug is a great artist. Eric Sermon called him a genius in his most recent interview. You can hear Thug influence all over Kendrick's DAMN album. The list goes on.

Y'all can sit on the high horse but the truth is some of these artists have the respect of the nikkas you respect and your fanatical cognitive dissonance renders you incapable of accepting it

Comparing YB to Weezy is disrespectful. I'm not even a Wayne fan like that but his recent guest spots are a treat.

YB has also never released anything remotely as good as DS2, Super Slimy or self titled so we can go ahead and stop the Pluto comparisons.

 

[Consigliere]

Need more folks to keep it a buck.

The industry is rampant with mediocre talents right now.

 

[O.Red]

That's not true.

The Clash & Sex Pistols were the toast of critics

"London Calling" was the album of the year when it came out in all the biggest newspapers and magazines.

The Ramones, Talking Heads, Television, Richard Hell, etc . . .

Did you have SOME arena rock types who hated it?

Sure, but to say that it was uniformly considered trash is just blatantly FALSE

Like I said, Hip-Hop is in it's "hair metal" phase (and has been for 20 years)

Where 90% of it is wack and will be considered wack in the future, as soon as something legitimate (i.e. Grunge) comes along and knocks it out of the frame

I never said it was uniformly considered trash but I forgot y'all don't read Punk had more than it's fair share of detractors saying the same shyt y'all saying about rappers. We gonna act like the famous "The Ramones are rubbish" Morrisey review don't exist? The Stooges , who created punk and inspired the Ramones had awful reviews, sold no records, and were in relative obscurity damn near 30 years after they split

I'll give you London Calling but it still falls into hypocrisy because how far are we going with the credence of music reviewers? If you're gonna assign merit to London Calling being named album of the year you might as well do the same for Cardi B's rap album of the year grammy

The Sex Pistols were industry plants And name dropping Richard Hell bookends your pretentiousness. NBA YoungBoy is far more known and revered than Richard Hell will ever be, and I like Richard Hell's music. You know nobody in 2023 gives a fukk about Richard Hell breh are we serious right now?

Again you nikkas have no idea what will be wack in the future, which is why I brought up The Stooges and their obscurity, despite being one of the most influential bands in history

 

[Kenny West]

Say what you want about the "ringtone rap" era of 06-08.

Most of it was mid but at least it was catchy and centered around partying and dancing. "Wobble" was made by a ringtone rapper in 08 and it's still damn near a requirement to play at a Black function/cookout/wedding to this day.

Most of the newer mainstream rappers of this decade are not only mid like the ringtone rappers but they can't even make fun music or music you can dance to anymore which is a double whammy against them.

Even hip hop DJ's this decade have said outright that they can't even play most modern rap at their events anymore and they have to either resort to playing older rap hits or switch to Afrobeat/Reggaeton/EDM to resonate with the crowd.

If you're a mid rapper, you can at the very least make club bangers or turn up songs. That's what Lil Jon and Tyga did.

Dance type music as a lane is gone. Closest thing people have nowadays is I just wanna rock, which is for the Tiktok dancer types exclusively but not some fun shyt for the club.

This is a great point though. Lil Jon & Tyga types definitely had a lane they could be good at & appreciated for. You didn't have clowns calling Tyga's album a classic because Rack City was popular & telling folks they old if they weren't blowing it's success out of proportion.

 

[Wild self]

The whole "older people hate all new music, it's natural" shyt is a myth. It's just how nikkas make excuses for trash and try & seem hip at the same time. Anybody with a brain can see the clear downtrend this genre has been on for over a decade now. I was in my late teens calling Gucci & Future wack, nikkas was making the same excuses then too. Dudes try to say "y'all don't get it" as if there is something deep there that's going over someone's head, 99% of the appeal of any given modern song comes down to whether or not its catchy. Any standard for skill, creativity or lyricism was washed away ages ago.

Here's a fun experiment: Ask your parents/grandparents how MJ's Thriller album was received by adults. Were all adults hating on it because they're old or did they like it because it was good fukking music? Same with Destiny 's child, or Whitney Houston or Erykah Badu etc. I bet what they say won't be consistent with the excuse making in here. My mom likes Drake but wants to strangle me when I bump Playboi Carti in the wheel lol. There is a clear difference in quality that even I can acknowledge as someone who enjoys both.

Most of the pushback toward rap from older generations was based on explicit lyrics, now it's based on the shyt being a lazy half baked popularity contest where a meme campaign can bring you better results than a good verse. But these Peter Pan ass nikkas won't admit it because they wanna seem down

Well said.

NBA YB came from a generation where any kind of criticism is "hating" and he refuses to take advice from professionally skilled rappers to make him a better artist. Guess that haopens when you came up in the Gucci Mane gen where autotune is your ONLY chance of making a fast food hit.

 

[Wild self]

Dance type music as a lane is gone. Closest thing people have nowadays is I just wanna rock, which is for the Tiktok dancer types exclusively but not some fun shyt for the club.

This is a great point though. Lil Jon & Tyga types definitely had a lane they could be good at & appreciated for. You didn't have clowns calling Tyga's album a classic because Rack City was popular & telling folks they old if they weren't blowing it's success out of proportion.

This gen been raised by clout chasing females that will resort to shooting another black person for telling the truth.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

nikkas are PETRIFIED at the thought of being honest... they would pretend to like an autotuned A.I. if teenagers thought it was the shyt, just so nikkas wouldn't call them old. They're the worst kind of old nikkas- they're worse than the olheads who just blindly hate everything new, they're worse than the olheads who are legit in their midlife crisis phase... they just out here pretending to love any and everything because their biggest fear is not bein' accepted by kids

Gospel

 

[Pop123]

“You’re a terrible rapper”

“p*ssy ass, snitch ass, soft ass cake ass nikka, pull up and say that, I’ll down you”

“…perhaps, but my point still stands”

Make public threats cause you mad someone noticed that you can’t rap brehs

 

[DOSDUMUNI]

This post will get people in their feelings but yeah..

Future was, is and will forever be ass and I have no idea how he got to be so popular

If you don't get it you never will I guess

Future embodies so much when it comes to the street shyt...the fly shyt...the bishes.

He's personally been my favorite rapper...and dare I say hella other brehs' favorite rapper for the past 10 years.

It's okay to not understand why.

 

[CrimsonTider]

No it cannot breh

Budden didn't have commercial appeal

In no universe is NBA YB a better rapper than Joe Budden no matter how much y'all don't like Budden

Joe Budden is a good rapper?

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

When Budden put on that steez with his voice, he's tapping into his fukk feelings mode. Reminds me of the Tax stone interview when didn't ANXTed the question of Tax stone.