Joe Budden: "NBA Youngboy is trash. He is horrible"

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Dude being a songwriter doesn’t mean you need to be literally penning records or using instruments to create music. Future a great songwriter because he consistently makes catchy hooks with great melodies all throughout his music.

Literally some of the greatest songs ever written are extremely popular catchy records with great melodies and fly production. That’s all songwriting really is. And “producing” the record is also part of the songwriting process and Future has had some of the best production over the past decade. I think he checks all the boxes of a great songwriter even tho he not my favourite rapper.
How is repeating Molly Percocet and fukk up some commas great hooks though?

This what I’m saying the package, the voice, the beat, the image, people buying in to the persona, it goes along way

Would these records be hits if it wasn’t Future?

The melodies I’ll give you (to me coming up with melodies and hooks is harder than 16’s) but these dudes really go into the studio mumble some shyt or find a pocket in the beat and sing poorly or yodel with the engineer putting effects on top of it to me it’s not some super talented shyt compared to the great songwriters of old who were writing records and straight up musical compositions
 
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Yes, which is why you used to champion him as a rapper on here years back
Budden would destroy Jay elect

Jay elect has no emotion in his bars. He’s just monotone and dry with the same subject matter on every verse
That dude @CrimsonTider is embarrassing
He just champions whatever teenage kids are labeling as hot at the moment. It's borderline pedophilish
 

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this basically like the punk pop punk rap era

in the way that punk music embraced lack of skill

it embraced expression no matter what the quality

the majority of artists are below the bar for what even the bottom tier artists of yesteryear had to reach

whatever gets the push makes it because the general audience has no discernment

yb can be entertaining & i get what he's doing as sometimes being self therapeutic like a crying child recording itself

but it's bad music 99.9% of the time like most of his contemporaries

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That last part is brilliant bro and I've been reading forums for damn there 2 decades. The complaints are always the same no matter the generation. nikkas was crying and downing Lil Wayne on AHH/SOHH when he was on his Carter 2/Dedication 2 run. People would KILL to have a new young rapper that skilled with mainstream attention now. 😄 This shyt will only sound weirder and more foreign in the next 10 years and some will possibly beg for at least the talent level of today's guys. We getting old brehs. I do think lil homie is garbo though 😅
Nah y'all bullshytting. You can measure skill. You can tell if Ron Isley can sing better than Chris Brown. You know if Jay-Z and YB have the same level of skill or not.

I just had this convo with the old folks at Thanksgiving. It's me, them and my younger cousins. We all arguing bout music and they shut it down quick...

"Ok lets go song for song. I'll play a song from my era, you play a song from yours that's better..."


Let's just say music has gotten progressively worse SKILL WISE and we currently in the age of it taking the least amount as compared to the past
 

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this basically like the punk pop punk rap era

in the way that punk music embraced lack of skill

it embraced expression no matter what the quality

the majority of artists are below the bar for what even the bottom tier artists of yesteryear had to reach

whatever gets the push makes it because the general audience has no discernment

yb can be entertaining & i get what he's doing as sometimes being self therapeutic like a crying child recording itself

but it's bad music 99.9% of the time like most of his contemporaries

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Yep, YB makes young black male angst wearing emotions on your sleeve type rap. Rod Wave in that lane too even though he's more sing songy RnB focused. I don't really listen to him like that anymore (he had a tape with Kevin Gates I still fukk with occasionally like 4-5 years ago) but yeah you right he's gone full on auto tune and basically mumbling through it. And it makes sense he'd go at Joe like that cause dude wanna be on some crash dummy shyt 24/7. I remember he got at Druski over some jokes and bro blew it all the way up.
 

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Before all the legal troubles he was tolerable with some decent songs. IDK if it’s the drugs, his mental issues, or being locked up in some mansion in Utah but he has been consistently releasing pure dogshyt
 

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I never said it was uniformly considered trash but I forgot y'all don't read:mjlol: Punk had more than it's fair share of detractors saying the same shyt y'all saying about rappers. We gonna act like the famous "The Ramones are rubbish" Morrisey review don't exist? The Stooges , who created punk and inspired the Ramones had awful reviews, sold no records, and were in relative obscurity damn near 30 years after they split

I'll give you London Calling but it still falls into hypocrisy because how far are we going with the credence of music reviewers? If you're gonna assign merit to London Calling being named album of the year you might as well do the same for Cardi B's rap album of the year grammy

The Sex Pistols were industry plants:mjlol: And name dropping Richard Hell bookends your pretentiousness. NBA YoungBoy is far more known and revered than Richard Hell will ever be, and I like Richard Hell's music. You know nobody in 2023 gives a fukk about Richard Hell breh are we serious right now?:dead:

Again you nikkas have no idea what will be wack in the future, which is why I brought up The Stooges and their obscurity, despite being one of the most influential bands in history
You're comparing NBA Youngboy, who's had a full ass funded campaign propping his views up on YouTube & streaming numbers to The Stooges, an act that was organic & were just ahead of their time? :heh:

The Stooges were Jazz-obsessed master musicians, who were deconstructing Pharoah Sanders

Iggy Pop's one of the smartest dudes in rock n roll

They were just CHOOSING to strip all the pretentions away from rock n roll in attempt to get back to the essence of rock n roll.

The Ramones were obsessed with Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and early rock n roll & were reacting to Rock becoming so pretentious and bloated during the '70s with decadent bands like Pink Floyd & Led Zeppelin

NBA is a just fukking idiot, who looks retarded, sounds retarded, and acts retarded.

He's a crash test dummy with 11 kids by 9 different women at 24 & threatened to kill Joe Budden because he said his music was wack.

He's a fukkin' moron & so are his fans

He's not trying to take Hip-Hop back to it's essence or put a progressive spin on the culture

The nikka prolly can't even spell "essence"

nikka LITERALLY breathes with his mouth open :heh:

And I think it's a little disingenuous to compare "Rolling Stone" critics when they were considered somewhat credible in the '70s to "Rolling Stone" critics today who have ZERO credibility and are sucking off Cardi B. so they don't get called "rockist" "racist" or "sexist".

They weren't always right, but they did have the respect of the public on some level, which is why being on the cover of "Rolling Stone" was seen as one of the biggest accomplishments in music for years.

It's like comparing "The Source" back when it was the "Hip-Hop Bible" & most rappers/fans considered it credible on some level to "The Source" today, which is totally irrelevant.
 
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