Joey B vs. Don Tha Con: Battle For The Soul Of America - 2020 Presidential Debate in Cleveland, OH

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You published a fake poll.

I disproved it with a real poll.

Instead of responding to my calling out of your bullshyt, you doubled down.

I have no idea what your exact goals are, but it appears more and more that you're just shytposting as fast as you can and focusing on things that increase division. Who is paying you to do that?
This x100. There is something wrong and off about his behavior and it needs to be called out.

Back to the debate...Biden did what Hillary couldn’t. Hillary is infinitely smarter and more impressive than Biden intellectually but sometimes you have to meet fukkery with fukkery. Biden refused to be bullied. He stood tall and was the bigger person for most of the night. Even when he threw names out he was responding to Trump’s ignorance. Trump didn’t see weakness or blood tonight...and I bet it terrified him. He’s gonna go nuclear next. The smears and “leaks” will be stepped up.

now its fake polls :laff:

show me anything with Biden doing well with latinos. :stopitslime:

You can't.

People have been freaking out about this in every mainstream polling outfit.

Now TELEMUNDO can't be trusted?! :gucci:

Fam, at what point do we get to talk about weaknesses? Oh, right. There are none. Lets just ignore any chance to improve anything. Lets just deny Biden had a poor debate performance. Lets just deny, ignore, deflect and denigrate.

This is an exercise in flexibility for you, isn't it?

I want to fukking win. I don't want Trump to be reelected. Today, he was able to stay in the fight and thats NOT good.

Grow the fukk up.

Anything you don't like is some fukking conspiracy, isn't it?

You're an immature a$$hole when confronted...so much for the meme of rational and nuanced discussion.

This isn't a circle jerk. Its time for reality and clear eyed perspective.

My affinity for Biden isn't changing how I'm seeing anyone who can be convinced to vote for Trump viewing tonight.

Hispanic Voters are NOT coming through for Biden the way people keep trying to FORCE to happen. No amount of media punditry is going to gaslight this or will this into existence. You can't just speak this into manifestation.

But no, instead of calling out the democrats congenital aversion to centering black voters, yall refuse to acknowledge the routine inability of latinos to consistently black democrats. That would require you to admit you WERE WRONG. The play towards latinos has cost democrats valuable time and resources instead of securing a lethargic black vote because the latino vote is way more amenable to the republicans.

Imagine thinking I'm a paid agent for... I dunno... having the fukking gall or audacity to speak to black political concerns and the compromises democrats undertake to do so.

Keep dying on that hill. Its not helping you now, so why would anyone expect you to know what to do with data showing you anything to the contrary?
 
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Am I the only one who noticed that Trump has this dumb-ass gameplan where he keeps suggesting Biden supports "radical left" ideas (commonly known as progressive policies) so he can either call Biden a socialist if Biden does support them, or start shouting that Biden is losing all of the left if Biden doesn't support them in the hope that Biden will backtrack so he can still call him a socialist.
 
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First off, no, it is extraordinarily unlikely that getting rid of small cities/towns will improve our environmental situation, in fact quite the opposite unless you're about to go full buy-in on socialism. The flood of people from rural places to urban ones has been associated with severe environmental degradation, as corporations tend to take over the land that families and small landowners leave behind and then totally fukk it over.

This is an article a friend of mine from Oregon sent me some time back. It shows how the forests in western Oregon have been absolutely wrecked by corporate control and the death of all the little towns that used to prosper in those regions.

Big money bought the forests. Small timber communities are paying the price

How are you going to solve that issue without shifting massive tracks of land from private control to public? The profiteers don't want to give it up, so are you just going to have a massive confiscation of land? How will that work?

And the issue I was speaking of with forest encroachment isn't small towns. The small towns that have been there forever aren't encroaching on the forest. Rural communities are shrinking, not growing. The issue is individual landowners, often wealthy people who don't even live out there full-time, buying up properties in the middle of nowhere and putting summer homes and shyt on them. It's the 2nd homes or the retirement homes of people who don't live off the land but want some beautiful spot to chill and take their friends to. Those are the people who ain't going to let no prescribed burn happen anywhere near their property and threaten their forest mini-mansion.

How are you going to stop people like that? Especially when both the liberals and conservatives are doing it - hell, wealthy old Democrats are probably MORE likely to be moving into those granola homes than Republicans are, that shyt has been turning Montana blue. How are you going to get the Republicans and Dems both to go after their own fundraisers and power brokers?
federal zoning reform :snooze:
 

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This x100. There is something wrong and off about his behavior and it needs to be called out.

Back to the debate...Biden did what Hillary couldn’t. Hillary is infinitely smarter and more impressive than Biden intellectually but sometimes you have to meet fukkery with fukkery. Biden refused to be bullied. He stood tall and was the bigger person for most of the night. Even when he threw names out he was responding to Trump’s ignorance. Trump didn’t see weakness or blood tonight...and I bet it terrified him. He’s gonna go nuclear next. The smears and “leaks” will be stepped up.
Hilllary didn’t get bullied by Trump at all though. She washed him in all 3 debates in dominant fashion according to debate polls. Debating was never her problem. Everything else about her campaign was.
 

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now its fake polls :laff:

show me anything with Biden doing well with latinos. :stopitslime:

You can't.

People have been freaking out about this in every mainstream polling outfit.

Now TELEMUNDO can't be trusted?! :gucci:
As always, you're such a disingenuous liar. :mjlol:

You just spent years claiming that internet trolls and fake Twitter bots were trying to game the election, and then you post a TWITTER POLL over that own station's actual scientific poll. :francis:

You challenge me to show "anything" with Biden doing well among Latinos when I already showed you THAT STATION giving Biden more than a 2-to-1 margin with Latinos just yesterday.

He's underperforming where he should be but you posted obvious sensational Twitter bullshyt that you knew couldn't possibly be true. Show ANY real poll that has 66% of Latinos favoring Trump. You will never see that. You could only get that bullshyt from a fake Twitter poll.

Here, if you don't trust Telemundo's OWN scientific poll, how about Univision?

Univision Poll: Biden is the clear favorite among Hispanics

With almost a month to go until the election, former Vice President Joe Biden is 42 points ahead of President Donald Trump among Hispanics registered to vote.

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Even if every comment only took you 30 seconds to write, you would need to spend nearly TWO THOUSAND hours to have written all of your comments on this board. That's an entire fukking work year. And that doesn't even count the time it takes you to read other people's comments or to read all those fukking Twitter feeds that you get your material from. So you've put at least 2-3 work years worth of effort into this crusade, and that doesn't even count the other places you post.

So excuse me if the idea that you're doing this for free is laughable. No one is that stupid to spend that much time that ineffectively and get literally nothing out of it.


FamImagine thinking I'm a paid agent for... I dunno... having the fukking gall or audacity to speak to black political concerns and the compromises democrats undertake to do so.
No one on this board thinks you are pro-black like that, get real. :gucci:

We all know you are a paid agent because no rational person would spend this many hours every day posting 200,000+ messages that go this poorly. Especially when it is obvious that this isn't the only place you are posting. No one would would see themselves repeatedly get voted WOAT and negged into oblivion by their own base and then think that this was a helpful place to promote their message 8 hours a day. You are CLEARLY hurting your own supposed cause, and CLEARLY spending far more time on it than any reasonable person could ever waste.

It's impossible for me to believe that you are smart enough to pose as an operative yet dumb enough to operate this many hours for free. So there are really just three reasonable options:

A) You are paid by Democratic operatives to post, and because you're just in it for the money, you don't care that your posts are ineffective and even counterproductive.

B) You are paid by other operatives (likely with names like Dimitri) to just shyt-post bullshyt in order to produce division. You might even be doing this somewhat unknowingly, like several other dumb tools who turned out to be working for the Internet Research Agency without even knowing it.

C) You are paid by wannabe Twitter pundits to push their shytty takes. Since the kind of person who would pay someone like you to promote them is naturally going to be the kind of person who has awful takes, the terrible nature of your posts is more a natural side effect rather than an intended result.

Other than extraordinary mental illness, those are the only explanations that explain whey someone would pour years of their life into an endeavor that so consistently gave them such awful feedback for so long.
 

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As always, you're such a disingenuous liar. :mjlol:

You just spent years claiming that internet trolls and fake Twitter bots were trying to game the election, and then you post a TWITTER POLL over that own station's actual scientific poll. :francis:

You challenge me to show "anything" with Biden doing well among Latinos when I already showed you THAT STATION giving Biden more than a 2-to-1 margin with Latinos just yesterday.


He's underperforming where he should be but you posted obvious sensational Twitter bullshyt that you knew couldn't possibly be true. Show ANY real poll that has 66% of Latinos favoring Trump. You will never see that.
:whoo:

Ah there we go. :stopitslime:

You got out your fukking feelings and let the truth slip. :blessed:

Thats all I wanted. This ain't about me. Leave your beef at home and lets talk about significance. Its about the reality of the situation of democrats underinvesting in black democratic strongholds and chasing fickle hispanic voters that are going to vote republican anyways in the next 30 years. Thanks for proving my point.

Biden is doing worse than Hillary with Latinos and his numbers are sliding with latinos/hispanics as we speak in real time. Right now. This second. :unimpressed:

Again, thanks for telling the truth. :obama:
 

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Even if every comment only took you 30 seconds to write, you would need to spend nearly TWO THOUSAND hours to have written all of your comments on this board. That's an entire fukking work year. And that doesn't even count the time it takes you to read other people's comments or to read all those fukking Twitter feeds that you get your material from. So you've put at least 2-3 work years worth of effort into this crusade, and that doesn't even count the other places you post.

So excuse me if the idea that you're doing this for free is laughable. No one is that stupid to spend that much time that ineffectively and get literally nothing out of it.



No one on this board thinks you are pro-black like that, get real. :gucci:

We all know you are a paid agent because no rational person would spend this many hours every day posting 200,000+ messages that go this poorly. Especially when it is obvious that this isn't the only place you are posting. No one would would see themselves repeatedly get voted WOAT and negged into oblivion by their own base and then think that this was a helpful place to promote their message 8 hours a day. You are CLEARLY hurting your own supposed cause, and CLEARLY spending far more time on it than any reasonable person could ever waste.

It's impossible for me to believe that you are smart enough to pose as an operative yet dumb enough to operate this many hours for free. So there are really just three reasonable options:

A) You are paid by Democratic operatives to post, and because you're just in it for the money, you don't care that your posts are ineffective and even counterproductive.

B) You are paid by other operatives (likely with names like Dimitri) to just shyt-post bullshyt in order to produce division. You might even be doing this somewhat unknowingly, like several other dumb tools who turned out to be working for the Internet Research Agency without even knowing it.

C) You are paid by wannabe Twitter pundits to push their shytty takes. Since the kind of person who would pay someone like you to promote them is naturally going to be the kind of person who has awful takes, the terrible nature of your posts is more a natural side effect rather than an intended result.

Other than extraordinary mental illness, those are the only explanations that explain whey someone would pour years of their life into an endeavor that so consistently gave them such awful feedback for so long.
You're really pathetic. You're worried more about internet popularity than talking about reality. Biden is slipping significantly with latinos. Does that bother you to discuss? Does it bother you to talk about democrats historic negligence in addressing the black vote?

All three options are that I'm paid, not that Biden chased latino voters to his own detriment. Aren't you here for free spending more time chasing down what my opinions are?

Did you even read the links you post?

lets help you out: :francis:


WSJ News Exclusive | Biden Leads Trump Among Latino Voters, Poll Shows
Biden Leads Trump Among Latino Voters, Poll Shows

President’s support among Latinos roughly in line with his standing in 2016, according to WSJ/NBC/Telemundo poll
By and Madeleine Ngo
Sept. 20, 2020 6:30 pm ET
Joe Biden supporters rallied on Tuesday in Tampa. Mr. Biden last week visited Florida for the first time as the Democratic presidential nominee.
Photo: Douglas R. Clifford/Tampa Bay Times/Zuma Press
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden holds a significant lead over President Trump among registered Latino voters, garnering 62% of support, compared with Mr. Trump’s 26%, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC/Telemundo poll.

The survey finds Mr. Trump’s support among Latinos to be roughly in line with his standing in 2016. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won 66% of the Latino vote, exit polls found that year, while Mr. Trump received 28%.

About 12% of Latino voters remain undecided this year, the new survey finds.

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The Journal/NBC/Telemundo poll includes some warning signs for Mr. Biden: Mr. Trump’s favorability among Latino voters has improved from four years ago. In September 2016, 78% had a negative view of him, compared with 56% today.


Mr. Trump’s best opportunities to build support among Latino voters appear to lie with men and older voters. While 30% of the Latino electorate approves of Mr. Trump’s job performance, 34% of men and 36% of Latinos age 40 and older approve.

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“Certainly, men are definitely an important segment where Trump tends to fare better with Latinos than other segments overall,” said pollster Aileen Cardona-Arroyo, who worked on the survey. She said that “Biden has an opportunity for improvement there.”

By comparison, 27% of Latina voters approve of Mr. Trump’s job performance. Among the Latino electorate under the age of 40, 24% approve.

The survey of 300 Latino voters was taken Sept. 13-16, before the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Friday introduced a new factor into the presidential race. It was conducted by Democratic pollster Jeff Horwitt and Republican Bill McInturff.

The results come as Democrats in some swing states have grown increasingly concerned about Mr. Trump making inroads among Latinos in swing states such as Florida and Nevada, where Republicans have been portraying Mr. Biden and other Democrats as socialists. Polls in these states have shown Mr. Biden underperforming among Latino voters compared with Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 support.


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Mr. Biden visited Florida for the first time as the party’s nominee last week, giving a speech that largely catered to the Puerto Rican population in Kissimmee to mark National Hispanic Heritage Month.

He acknowledged to reporters during his trip that he had more work to do to win over Latino voters. “Look, what I have to do is make the case why it will be so much better for the Hispanic community, the Latino community, if in fact Trump is no longer president,” he said.

Compared with registered voters overall, Latino voters in the survey reported a lower level of interest in the election. Some 67% rated their level of interest at a 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale, compared with 80% of voters of all races and ethnicities.

The poll also shows the economy to be a top issue for Latino voters. Those surveyed gave Mr. Biden only a slight edge on the issue over Mr. Trump, with 39% saying the president would be better at dealing with the economy, compared with 41% who said Mr. Biden would be better.

Mr. Biden holds wide leads on other top issues, including on handling coronavirus, addressing the concerns of the Hispanic and Latino community and treating immigrants humanely.

Mario Mendoza, 28, said he is undecided in the election. The Florida resident considers himself a Democrat, but he said he likes Mr. Trump’s handling of the economy. “I have seen my 401(k) grow in these past four years a lot,” he said.

Mr. Mendoza, who is Mexican-American, said he didn’t vote in 2016 because he didn’t like either candidate, but he plans to vote on Election Day.

Arnoldo Rodriguez, 65, a Texas resident who plans to vote for Mr. Biden, said the virus and health care were at the top of his mind. He said he thinks Mr. Trump has made the coronavirus a political issue while playing down the crisis.

Mr. Biden, he said, “has been very clear that he will listen to the scientists.”

Mr. Rodriguez, who is Mexican-American, said building on the Affordable Care Act is an important issue for him. “Trump is trying to kill the ACA. We need insurance programs, especially for retirees,” he said.

The poll also found that the majority of Latino voters plan to vote before Election Day, with 31% saying they would vote by mail and 23% saying they would vote early in person. Some 40% said they would vote on Election Day.

The margin of error for the Journal/NBC News/Telemundo survey was plus or minus 5.7 percentage points. The poll was also in line with previous WSJ/NBC data between January and August of this year, which averaged together found Mr. Biden leading Mr. Trump, 61% to 29%. It didn’t break down results based on country of origin.


















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This dude @Rhakim thinks he can just gaslight people who don't actually read. What the hell is wrong with you?

I want biden to win, but I'm not going to lie about his campaign errors and mistakes. Why are you?

Everything he doesn't like is "disingenuous" or a "lie"... fam, how about things just aren't as solid as you want them to be? Are you mad because my screen name is saying it? Are you mad because you don't want to believe it?

Why even believe the polls that benefit biden? Why believe ANY polls?

Whats the point of polls to you?









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If thats the case mods need to Bush him for awhile
Mods should bush me? why? because yall don't read beyond the headline? or I'm saying things that make you uncomfortable about the reality of the latino vote?

Read what he's posting BEYOND the headline.

Biden is slipping with latinos ACCORDING TO TELEMUNDO POLLS!

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/39297283/

my god the immaturity here is ASTOUNDING :mindblown:

I must be going crazy! Now I can't even talk about Biden's polling numbers if they look poor?! :dahell:
 

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Hilllary didn’t get bullied by Trump at all though. She washed him in all 3 debates in dominant fashion according to debate polls. Debating was never her problem. Everything else about her campaign was.
Thats my point.

I'm thinking about this like someone who thinks Trump is "funny or cool" and trump definitely delivered to people who want to see that.

Biden did not help himself tonight no matter how much pundits (even Fox News lowkey) who want to help biden get Trump outta here.

We're talking bout the voters right now, not the pundits. Pundits don't win the election, the voters do.
 

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this idiot has more heat for ME than he does for Joe Biden for wasting time on hispanics who can be insulted but still vote for Trump.

@Rhakim what's your problem bruh? What have I done to deserve this? We all want Biden to win, right? Are you scared that talking about hispanics being invested in more than black voters is a problem? Do you think we spook people if we talk about this?

couldn't be me :picard:

Dude is calling everyone an agent/troll/idiot/loser/liar but the fool in the mirror who thinks ignoring the fact you're LOSING voters isn't a big deal :dahell:
 
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