John Hollinger With His PER Fukkry Got Into It With Mr I'll Smack a Hoe Lionel Hollin

[ghostwriterx]

All players have a role.

Dirk had a role, Terry had a role, Chandler had a role, and Kidd had a role.

I agree. Kidd, Terry and Marion were role players. That's all I'm saying.

 

[El Bombi]

I agree. Kidd, Terry and Marion were role players. That's all I'm saying.

With your logic, Chris Bosh and D-Wade are role players to LeBron.

Or Scottie Pippen.

 

[ghostwriterx]

With your logic, Chris Bosh and D-Wade are role players to LeBron.

Or Scottie Pippen.

How you figure? Granted with the way they've played lately it can seem like it.


How do you define "role player"?

 

[El Bombi]

How you figure? Granted with the way they've played lately it can seem like it.


How do you define "role player"?

A role player is someone like J.J. Barea or Mike Miller. You mention Jason Terry, but fail to mention that Jason Terry has been a borderline All-Star his whole career(was snub a lot). Terry carried the team in scoring in a lot games, in the 2006 & 2011 playoffs runs. Teams had to game plan for Jason Terry. Terry was always second in scoring to Dirk. You clearly never watched any Mavericks games, if you thought Terry was a role player. He was the Mavericks second threat. That's like calling Dirk a role player when Finley and Nash was on the team.

Back to Shawn Marion. He wasn't asked to score a lot of points when Joe Johnson was on the Suns roster. But when Joe Johnson left, he was fully capable to up his offensively efforts.

 

[ghostwriterx]

A role player is someone like J.J. Barea or Mike Miller. You mention Jason Terry, but fail to mention that Jason Terry has been a borderline All-Star his whole career(was snub a lot). Terry carried the team in scoring in a lot games, in the 2006 & 2011 playoffs runs. Teams had to game plan for Jason Terry. Terry was always second in scoring to Dirk. You clearly never watched any Mavericks games, if you thought Terry was a role player. He was the Mavericks second threat. That's like calling Dirk a role player when Finley and Nash was on the team.

Back to Shawn Marion. He wasn't asked to score a lot of points when Joe Johnson was on the Suns roster. But when Joe Johnson left, he was fully capable to up his offensively efforts.

Miller is a bench guy, when you're regularly dnp'd you're not a role player. I thought the same of Barea.

I was talking Marion on the Mavs. He was clearly a role player at that point. Gave them next to nothing on offense and probably a bit overrated defensively at that point.

I can see the Terry argument, even though on the second Mavs run he was past his prime imo, they did ask to him handle the scoring load after Dirk, but he was extremely one dimensional, (easily replaceable by a bunch of guys in the league).

And Kidd was definitely a role player at that point.

 

[The Entity]

Got damn stat geeks thinking they know the fukking game better than coaches based on some fukking numbers. No coach ever won a ring by paying attention to that analytics shyt.

You...are the dumbest nygga on this site

 

[El Bombi]

Miller is a bench guy, when you're regularly dnp'd you're not a role player. I thought the same of Barea.

I was talking Marion on the Mavs. He was clearly a role player at that point. Gave them next to nothing on offense and probably a bit overrated defensively at that point.

I can see the Terry argument, even though on the second Mavs run he was past his prime imo, they did ask to him handle the scoring load after Dirk, but he was extremely one dimensional, (easily replaceable by a bunch of guys in the league).

And Kidd was definitely a role player at that point.

Shutting down the best player in the NBA in the 4th quarters of the NBA finals games is overrated. Shutting Down Kobe in Game 3 & 4 is overrated.


@ a veteran player who won the Six Man of the Year with a lot of deep playoffs experience being replace by anybody.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Shutting down the best player in the NBA in the 4th quarters of the NBA finals games is overrated. Shutting Down Kobe in Game 3 & 4 is overrated.


@ a veteran player who won the Six Man of the Year with a lot of deep playoffs experience being replace by anybody.

Come on man... Marion shut down Kobe? Really?
And we all know Lebron bytched up, had nothing to do with the Matrix guarding him.

You acting like Marion was Ron Artest in his prime during that run.

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

What is your point?

not that i believe in moneyball, but i think the point is 29 teams don't win a championship every year


so based on just probability 96.6% of teams don't win a ship every year, so to discount a team for using analytics and having it not resulting in winning a championship is a little unfair and singling out one franchise when almost every team is not winning the championship every year


your counterargument will most likely be that the traditional way of playing basketball/baseball/etc has resulted in championships, but the best coaches do use a little bit of analytics in setting lineups and making decisions in substitutions


with so many teams not winning championships and consistently being mediocre and in the shytter, some of these stat geek teams are at least in the hunt (i.e. the As making the playoffs, grizzlies in WCF)






















but hollinger is still a bullshyt spewing obnoxious shyt

 

[El Bombi]

Come on man... Marion shut down Kobe? Really?




And we all know Lebron bytched up, had nothing to do with the Matrix guarding him.

You acting like Marion was Ron Artest in his prime during that run.

You clearly didn't watch the Mavericks play. Kobe didn't even score over 20 points in game 3 & 4.

Oh so LeBron just bytched up in that one series, but not the others? I wonder why LeBron didn't bytched up in the 4th quarters of the 07 Finals. They got sweep by the Spurs, because he didn't have a good surrounding cast in Cleveland.

You act like that was LeBron first time in the Finals and he got nervous. You making up those Skip Bayless excuses now. That's why Mark Cuban had to school him.

 

[El Bombi]

Even a tech nerd guy like Mark Cuban knows it's more to basketball than analytics.

 

[froggle]

baseball is a stat game because a hitter vs. a pitcher is a one on one event that accurately gauges the individual ability of both, with minimal interference from other variables or influences. In basketball, literally hundreds of variables are all interacting at one time, to determine the success of individual players. Individual performances do not exist in a vacuum like baseball. Defensive pressure and adjustments, coaching/offense strategies, PG ability to find shooters, etc all influence performance.

Stat nerds in bball want to be the next bill james, so they have tried to shoehorn adv stats into the game. I echo the sentiments that they have their place, as they can give you a general idea of ability, but they arent an accurate gauge. Fcking Tyson Chandler's efficiency ratings and PER are out of this world, and the boy couldnt even create his own shot in a game of nerf.

Per and efficiency also tends to heavily favor those who do the least, and non-aggressive players.

There is even off court issues such as partying, baby mama drama, money problems, gambling etc. Analytics has its place, but that Hollinger boy

 

[phillycavsfan]

Even a tech nerd guy like Mark Cuban knows it's more to basketball than analytics.

Of course. Analytics is merely a tool to enhance scouting, that's all.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

I get that some of it is needed but these nerds are off the newness of this shyt...aren't there some teams paying to have these lasers or something to measure effort and intensity on the court??

 

[Danny Up]

The term role player is stupid. Everybody has a role. If you're a superstar your job is to SCORE lots of points.