John Hollinger With His PER Fukkry Got Into It With Mr I'll Smack a Hoe Lionel Hollin
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baseball is a stat game because a hitter vs. a pitcher is a one on one event that accurately gauges the individual ability of both, with minimal interference from other variables or influences. In basketball, literally hundreds of variables are all interacting at one time, to determine the success of individual players. Individual performances do not exist in a vacuum like baseball. Defensive pressure and adjustments, coaching/offense strategies, PG ability to find shooters, etc all influence performance.
Stat nerds in bball want to be the next bill james, so they have tried to shoehorn adv stats into the game. I echo the sentiments that they have their place, as they can give you a general idea of ability, but they arent an accurate gauge. Fcking Tyson Chandler's efficiency ratings and PER are out of this world, and the boy couldnt even create his own shot in a game of nerf.
Per and efficiency also tends to heavily favor those who do the least, and non-aggressive players.
Stat nerds in bball want to be the next bill james, so they have tried to shoehorn adv stats into the game. I echo the sentiments that they have their place, as they can give you a general idea of ability, but they arent an accurate gauge. Fcking Tyson Chandler's efficiency ratings and PER are out of this world, and the boy couldnt even create his own shot in a game of nerf.
Per and efficiency also tends to heavily favor those who do the least, and non-aggressive players.
FreedS[ohh]lave
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You can identify the top players pretty early from hs/college on the all time greats who led their teams to titles didnt come out of nowhere or were good players through college and theri firts few years of the nba but then all of a sudden became all time greats the potential and hype was there from the begining with those special players and you heard their names for years
As far as Norris Cole hes not a product of PER hes product of Lebron,role players are only as good as the stars around them,Bron made his awful teammates in Clevleand look much better then they were
I know some people hate to hear it because they want to make it out to be the ultimate team sport where the 7th man plays a huge role but the nba is mostly about your best player and one or two all stars surrounding him
Lebrons basically gonna win this title almost by himself
Barry Sanders
Barry>>>
Levien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.
Wojnarowski: Hollinger behind Butler signing resulting in Scola trade
Wojnarowski: Hollinger behind Butler signing resulting in Scola trade
Mavs, Pistons, Spurs
Those guys are the epitome of role players.
Spurs? Manu Ginobili was a role player?
Piston? Rip Hamilton was a role player?
Mavericks? that's debatable, Jason Terry is a legit 20ppg if he starts,and he'll give you 17ppg off the bench. That's hardly a role player.
Steve Kerr, Mike Miller, etc, THOSE are role players.
Mavs, Pistons, Spurs
The Mavs had Shawn Marion (4X AS) and Jason Terry who were all-star caliber players.
The Pistons had Richard Hamilton who was an all-star player.
The Spurs
come on breh HOF Manu Ginóbili.
IM ok with advance stats,but like some have stated theres too much goin on in an NBA game thats not accounted for to take PER seriously...I couldnt take it serious when Lopez was basically a top 5 player in the league based on it...Way too many fringe role players with all star PER pedigrees to take it serious...I mean he signed off on the Gay/Davis deal because of Ed Davis PER...We all know Ed Davis is not a better player than Rudy Gay...
Are fans owed a championship or something
No, but ownership owe the fans who buy tickets and buy merchandise to at least try to put together a championship team.
But I guess Memphis fans like you are just still happy to have a Pro Team or it's back to the RedBirds.
That what you call little city mentality. 
Advanced Stats don't go very far in the basketball world.
But I got no problems with these nerds making money off it though
But I got no problems with these nerds making money off it though
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.comSpurs? Manu Ginobili was a role player?
Manu was a rookie and he didn't start. He avg. 9ppg in the playoffs. Role player.
He wasn't a star and he was at best their 4th most important player after Chauncey, Rasheed and Ben in the playoffs. Sheed was the most talented player on that squad, but it was really a bunch of solid guys playing their roles well. Granted this one is the most debatable example.Piston? Rip Hamilton was a role player?
Terry put up the same # of shots and ppg as Butler that year.
JR Smith gives you 17ppg off the bench, he's a role player.
Guys like Terry and Hamilton are role players in that their only asked to do one thing.
bigmanharris
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keep my team's name outcha mouf
(4X AS) and Jason Terry who were all-star caliber players.
The Pistons had Richard Hamilton who was an all-star player.
The Spurs
Did you actually watch Marion play in Dallas? He was a shell of himself offensively. Granted he was still very good defensively.
Did you watch Marion play?
His role wasn't to score, the MAVS had enough scorers as it is. He still average 12 pts in the 2011 playoffs and 16 pts during the season. He was the key defender against Kobe, Kevin Durant, and LeBon in that Championship run. Come again with that weak shytt.
Did you watch Marion play?
Come again with that weak shytt.
All players have a role.
Dirk had a role, Terry had a role, Chandler had a role, and Kidd had a role.