Just trying to get our Coli Rating Up - Miami Heat Season thread 2015/16

[OfTheCross]

don't wanna hear what?.....just because we want spo fired doesn't mean we also don't want the team to get better. spo is a terrible coach. us needing another shooter doesn't change that fact.

Don't you see, breh. If the dude's made their open shots Soon would look great. It's not his fault they're missing.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Don't you see, breh. If the dude's made their open shots Soon would look great. It's not his fault they're missing.

of course it's not. but that still has nothing to do with him being a bad coach ....yesterday he actually made better adjustments though. actually brought hassan in when he needed to. that loss last night wasn't on spo at all. which is why nobody was in the thread shytting on him. the team just got beat...plain and simple. but still, spo has definitely cost us a few games this season because he refused to make adjustments....that's not even up for debate. but it looks like he's ready to turn the corner on dealing with hassan, so we'll see how it goes from here on out.

 

[OfTheCross]

of course it's not. but that still has nothing to do with him being a bad coach ....yesterday he actually made better adjustments though. actually brought hassan in when he needed to. that loss last night wasn't on spo at all. which is why nobody was in the thread shytting on him. the team just got beat...plain and simple. but still, spo has definitely cost us a few games this season because he refused to make adjustments....that's not even up for debate. but it looks like he's ready to turn the corner on dealing with hassan, so we'll see how it goes from here on out.

You're assessing Spo without full knowledge of the situation.

When you say he's turning the corner on Hassan you're basing that on what exactly?

Hassan, like LeBron was a problem child with coaches. Spo reigned then both in. That stuff doesn't happen overnight. He's been doing a great job handling our most important players

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

You're assessing Spo without full knowledge of the situation.

When you say he's turning the corner on Hassan you're basing that on what exactly?

Hassan, like LeBron was a problem child with coaches. Spo reigned then both in. That stuff doesn't happen overnight. He's been doing a great job handling our most important players

our most important player going forward is hassan. and spo has handled him the exact opposite of great. I can't even count how many opposing announcers have shytted on him for the way he's handled hassan. not even including espn and tnt announcers. hubie brown destroyed him the last game he called for us. these announcers are actually left in amazement at how horribly spo deals with hassan. hassan is 7th i the league in PER. there's nothing more to gauge....his impact is proven. no more experimenting. no more assessing. every meaningful statistic shows hassan has been our most impactful player this season. benching him for entire 4th quarters has nothing to do with spo trying to figure it out. it's spo being a moron. and by "turn the corner" I mean spo has finally started giving hassan meaningful 4th quarter minutes these past few games. something he should have done a long time ago. it shouldn't take hassan bytching to the media or posting subliminals on social media. he deserves to be out there no matter the situation. he's earned it.

 

[havoc]

No, our squad is not good enough to mask our defensive woes. Obvious weak points in defense screws up our entire defensive scheme which is why Spo is so big on playing defensively intelligent players over sheer athletic ability and intensive, which holds doubly true for our bigs because they're required to be extremely mobile and active to get the most out of it.

And there were times Beasley looked ok on defense, at first glance, but then you start slowing down tape and seeing that Beasley was leaving gaps in the defense that didn't always manifest until too late.

There are definitely some times where STAT could be useful but he's injury prone, average at defense, and he's not quite good enough offensively to make teams pay like a David Lee or Kevin Love might be.

1. Battier was a weak point in our defense as a undersized PF in our championship season and wasn't a consistent player on offense, but that didn't stop Spo from giving him minutes.
2. As for Beasley, I wouldn't blame him for those gaps in the defensive . The team entirely gambled too much and made many mistakes on over-trapping opposing point-guards that left many players open.
3. Moreover, neither David Lee or Kevin Love are good as STAT offensively. STAT is the better pick and roll player, the better finisher, athletic, and has a wet mid-range shot. He can be a great benefactor in our offense if we choose to speed up the pace. We really need his scoring from the bench. The bench mob is in the bottom totem pole in SCORING and as a team, we are ranked 26th place. Spo don't know what the fukk to do with a player like STAT.

 

[TheGregReaper]

our most important player going forward is hassan. and spo has handled him the exact opposite of great. I can't even count how many opposing announcers have shytted on him for the way he's handled hassan. not even including espn and tnt announcers. hubie brown destroyed him the last game he called for us. these announcers are actually left in amazement at how horribly spo deals with hassan. hassan is 7th i the league in PER. there's nothing more to gauge....his impact is proven. no more experimenting. no more assessing. every meaningful statistic shows hassan has been our most impactful player this season. benching him for entire 4th quarters has nothing to do with spo trying to figure it out. it's spo being a moron. and by "turn the corner" I mean spo has finally started giving hassan meaningful 4th quarter minutes these past few games. something he should have done a long time ago. it shouldn't take hassan bytching to the media or posting subliminals on social media. he deserves to be out there no matter the situation. he's earned it.

I couldn't have said this better myself

 

[OfTheCross]

our most important player going forward is hassan. and spo has handled him the exact opposite of great. I can't even count how many opposing announcers have shytted on him for the way he's handled hassan. not even including espn and tnt announcers. hubie brown destroyed him the last game he called for us. these announcers are actually left in amazement at how horribly spo deals with hassan. hassan is 7th i the league in PER. there's nothing more to gauge....his impact is proven. no more experimenting. no more assessing. every meaningful statistic shows hassan has been our most impactful player this season. benching him for entire 4th quarters has nothing to do with spo trying to figure it out. it's spo being a moron. and by "turn the corner" I mean spo has finally started giving hassan meaningful 4th quarter minutes these past few games. something he should have done a long time ago. it shouldn't take hassan bytching to the media or posting subliminals on social media. he deserves to be out there no matter the situation. he's earned it.

You're making the same mistake as before. Neither you, nor the announcers know the best way to handle the situation because y'all don't have the knowledge of it.

And sure, Hassan has good numbers, but we're also statistically better defensively without him on the court. So one could argue both ways.

There's a next man up culture, a culture where some nights you're called upon and some nights you're not, a stay ready culture, a championship culture that the coaching staff is building. No one says anything negative when Pop benches the entire starting lineup.

And again, we don't know how to best handle Hassan. So we can't say Spo should've let him play the 4th earlier.

Maybe missing more free throws would've ruined his psyche. Maybe defensive lapses would've diminished his confidence. Maybe playing well would've gone to his head too much and they want to keep that in check.

You just don't know. You just don't know. So it's not really something you can critique

 

[Sohh_lifted]

Watching hawks and pistons highlights...hawks did the hack a Drummond...dude is shooting FT @ 30%....why didn't we do this on our last few posessions!/!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!? Fukk Spo

 

[OfTheCross]

Watching hawks and pistons highlights...hawks did the hack a Drummond...dude is shooting FT @ 30%....why didn't we do this on our last few posessions!/!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!? Fukk Spo

We took a 1pt lead with like a minute left...you wanted us to start hacking there?

You wanted the Miami Heat to not rely on their defense?

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Maybe missing more free throws would've ruined his psyche. Maybe defensive lapses would've diminished his confidence. Maybe playing well would've gone to his head too much and they want to keep that in check.

breh....think about this these questions you're asking. not playing one of the best centers in the league because he might make some mistakes and kill his confidence??....hassan has already made plenty of mistakes and he's never shown any decline in confidence. I think we're good on that. and even if that were the case, it's dumb as hell. players have to make mistakes in order to learn from them and get better. coddling them won't do shyt but stunt their growth.

then on the flip side you say maybe he'll play TOO good and get OVERLY confident????.....breh....seriously?.....having a player perform too good and get a big head is not a bad problem to have. every superstar player in league is arrogant as fukk....it's what makes them great. the sad thing is, i'm sure erik spoesltra has benched him for that very reason. and that's exactly why he's one of the worst coaches in the league. any coach who would bench a player because they might perform too good doesn't deserve to be coaching on a professional level. there's really no case to be made for sitting hassan during critical stretches. dude has busted his ass for this team long enough. if he makes some mistakes, then so be it. at least he's getting valuable experience. we go down with our best guys on the court, I can live with that.

 

[OfTheCross]

breh....think about this these questions you're asking. not playing one of the best centers in the league because he might make some mistakes and kill his confidence??....hassan has already made plenty of mistakes and he's never shown any decline in confidence. I think we're good on that. and even if that were the case, it's dumb as hell. players have to make mistakes in order to learn from them and get better. coddling them won't do shyt but stunt their growth.

then on the flip side you say maybe he'll play TOO good and get OVERLY confident????.....breh....seriously?.....having a player perform too good and get a big head is not a bad problem to have. every superstar player in league is arrogant as fukk....it's what makes them great. the sad thing is, i'm sure erik spoesltra has benched him for that very reason. and that's exactly why he's one of the worst coaches in the league. any coach who would bench a player because they might perform too good doesn't deserve to be coaching on a professional level. there's really no case to be made for sitting hassan during critical stretches. dude has busted his ass for this team long enough. if he makes some mistakes, then so be it. at least he's getting valuable experience. we go down with our best guys on the court, I can live with that.

Now reply to the rest of the post. Because my point stands that you don't know enough to critique the handling of Hassan Whiteside.

You're making the same mistake as before. Neither you, nor the announcers know the best way to handle the situation because y'all don't have the knowledge of it.

And sure, Hassan has good numbers, but we're also statistically better defensively without him on the court. So one could argue both ways.

There's a next man up culture, a culture where some nights you're called upon and some nights you're not, a stay ready culture, a championship culture that the coaching staff is building. No one says anything negative when Pop benches the entire starting lineup.

And again, we don't know how to best handle Hassan. So we can't say Spo should've let him play the 4th earlier.

You just don't know. So it's not reallysomething you can't critique

 

[iamduval]

Yall getting upset but this just an above average team at best with below average coaching. Not a championship squad when you have to rely on 33 year old Dwyane wade to close out gamea.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Now reply to the rest of the post. Because my point stands that you don't know enough to critique the handling of Hassan Whiteside.

You're making the same mistake as before. Neither you, nor the announcers know the best way to handle the situation because y'all don't have the knowledge of it.

And sure, Hassan has good numbers, but we're also statistically better defensively without him on the court. So one could argue both ways.

There's a next man up culture, a culture where some nights you're called upon and some nights you're not, a stay ready culture, a championship culture that the coaching staff is building. No one says anything negative when Pop benches the entire starting lineup.

And again, we don't know how to best handle Hassan. So we can't say Spo should've let him play the 4th earlier.

You just don't know. So it's not reallysomething you can't critique

well shyt, we're better defensively without hassan....lets just bench his ass the whole game then........and why do you just choose to look at defense?....why not look at the whole picture?.....hassan is 8th in the league in PER.....that's overall impact....not just one side of the court. the next best on our team is chris bosh, and he's 27. wade isn't even in the top 30. and that's pretty shocking considering wade is ALWAYS in the top 10 in PER. hassan is up there with the likes of steph curry, lebron, russel westbrook, and kevin durant. again....this is overall impact. so I could give a fukk if we give up a few extra points with hassan in the game. because overall we're much more dangerous with hassan on the floor. we don't even gotta look at stats, we can watch the game and see it clear as day. the main problem with those defensive numbers with hassan on/off the floor is that it's not all on hassan. it's on the entire team. when hassan is out there they expect him to do EVERYTHING....block shots, get rebounds, weak side help. when he's off the floor, they know they actually have to D the fukk up. loul deng and josh mcroberts admitted to this a couple weeks ago. that when hassan off the floor their whole attitude changes. they close out on guards and play more aggressive, but when he's out there they tend to gamble more because they know hassan is there to bail em out.


EDIT: found it.....


“It helps to have Whiteside there behind you. That’s kind of the safety. You know you can gamble a little bit and he’s right there behind you. You don’t have to foul, and you can kind of get a little bit out of position.” - Josh McRoberts


“When we go with a smaller lineup, you see more trapping. We’re playing faster. When Hassan is in the game, we want to take away the jump shots and kind of force guys to drive into him.”- Loul Deng


So, maybe that contributes to the defensive numbers getting worse with Whiteside on the floor. Maybe Heat players see the flashy denials behind them and overestimate the help they have in Whiteside. Maybe they’re putting just a bit too much of the burden on him.




and that last sentence is right on the money. these guys need to keep up that intensity when hassan is on the floor and stop expecting him to clean up everybody's mess. when you got guys admitting they purposely gamble and get out of position because hassan is behind them, that's a team issue, not a hassan issue. but regardless of the the defensive numbers, hassan impacts the game more than anybody on our team. that's undeniable. it's a very real possibility that hassan could be the only guy on the team to be an all star this season. and truthfully, nobody else deserves it more than him

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

Yall getting upset but this just an above average team at best with below average coaching. Not a championship squad when you have to rely on 33 year old Dwyane wade to close out games.

Bruh......

I might quote this EVERYDAY

I love the Heat too but we gotta be realistic. Every game y'all wanna blame coaching and ignore the talent. No matter the coach this is not a championship contending squad

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Bruh......

I might quote this EVERYDAY

I love the Heat too but we gotta be realistic. Every game y'all wanna blame coaching and ignore the talent. No matter the coach this is not a championship contending squad

i'm not even blaming the coaching for the past few games. i'm actually happy that hassan is getting more 4th quarter minutes. but no matter how much talent we get, spo will always be a terrible coach. just gotta thank god the big 3 was good enough to win in spite of this clown.


and I never thought we could win the title this season. the warriors are too strong for anybody right now. but at full potential we can definitely come out the east. we got the defense and matchups to give the cavs serious problems.