Justice Scalia Suggests Blacks Belong at "Slower" Colleges

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

SAT math - This is a test of if you can handle engineering school now

SAT reading - tests how much language u have been exposed to. extremely culturally biased. This section is extremely biased to benefit middle-upper middle class whites. Words like "coxen" have been answers (poor/minority students dont row crew).

I dont think intelligence can be measured.

Maybe America should look into leaving the SAT system for university applicants.

 

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[Richard Wright]

Maybe America should look into leaving the SAT system for university applicants.

That would be a DISASTER lol.

There was nothing better than seeing try hard white girls who had 4.0 GPA have their dreams crushed when they had a 1700 SAT

The issue is our educational system is too competitive. Thats why we have cheating problems in colleges. Thats why high schools fake scores. Thats why Ive seen parents force a school to give a child a grade. Thats why there is even a problem with affirmative action in the first place.

We view school as a way to separate ourselves instead of a way to grow our consciousness and minds together.

Low key I should have applied to Howard

@xyz77


Everything I say applied to engineering only. I dont give a shyt about graduation rates with history degrees or whatever. In my opinion that is not education.

 

[GoldTeef]

Also, to this day, white women have benefited more from AA than any other group BY FAR. I only think that AA is even a focus of discussion when its about shytting on black people tbh.

White women benefit from job AA

 

[42 Monks]

White women benefit from job AA

true, that was a bit of a tangent on my part but only because i value jobs over education

so

 

[Strapped]

These old dudes are losing their minds

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

why are people here assuming that SAT scores are an end-all predictive marker of college success to begin with?

that's one of the most contentious points in higher-ed, and studies have shown that its not a reliable correlate for success.

secondly, why are we assuming that people of color admitted struggle for purely academic reasons to justify NOT instituting AA? speaking anecdotally as someone who went to one of these 'elite' schools, the issue of alienation in going to PWI played a huge role for black students who struggled to initially adapt.


Study finds little difference in academic success of students who do and don't submit SAT or ACT | Inside Higher Ed


here we see that in some instances, grad rates are comparable to white counterparts (who i would assume, come from more privileged backgrounds). to assume that blacks struggle purely for academic reasons is short-sighted.

Fascinating to see Columbia doing so poorly. I think it's the only Ivy League school to have Af-Ams be proportionally represented. I remember reading a figure that stated 13% of Columbia's students were black. Then again, how many of those black people were from the U.S?

 

[Audemar]

People are actually using SAT and GPA stats like they tell the whole story. GPA is partially dependent upon the school environment and a student can easily do well on the SAT with the right resources.

 

[Wild self]

These "struggling" black kids better all be stem majors. If you struggling to graduate in a liberal arts track no matter what school you go to, kill yourself

Getting low balled by a hard major with no worker rights

We need worker unions again.

 

[Young]

why are people here assuming that SAT scores are an end-all predictive marker of college success to begin with?

that's one of the most contentious points in higher-ed, and studies have shown that its not a reliable correlate for success.

secondly, why are we assuming that people of color admitted struggle for purely academic reasons to justify NOT instituting AA? speaking anecdotally as someone who went to one of these 'elite' schools, the issue of alienation in going to PWI played a huge role for black students who struggled to initially adapt.


Study finds little difference in academic success of students who do and don't submit SAT or ACT | Inside Higher Ed


here we see that in some instances, grad rates are comparable to white counterparts (who i would assume, come from more privileged backgrounds). to assume that blacks struggle purely for academic reasons is short-sighted.

Love to see this data, but in all honesty I'm really not worried about the Ivy League and the students on this list (and this is coming from someone who graduated from a school on that list). Like it or not (and that's another discussion), the black kids at these school aren't indicative of the majority of black high schoolers in the US. Pretty much every school in this post would be in the bottom half of economically diverse school in the nation (meaning the majority of students are from middle-high socioeconomic conditions.

Looking at the other end of the spectrum, it's a completely different story at the UC system (cherrypicking because I work with students applying to UC schools every day) - Compare State's Public Colleges - Graduation Rate Details - California Public Colleges - CollegeMeasures.org Take a look at that chart and you'll see that, at most of these schools (and there are a lot of schools), black students are lagging behind in terms of their graduation rates. This is more an indictment on the UC/CSU system than anything else, but this is still very much a systemic problem all over the nation. Black kids also have to work twice as hard to achieve the same career prospects as other students at these schools due to stereotypes in place like the ones Scalia expressed in the article. But I could go on and on. There's no one problem and no one solution.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

That would be a DISASTER lol.

There was nothing better than seeing try hard white girls who had 4.0 GPA have their dreams crushed when they had a 1700 SAT

The issue is our educational system is too competitive. Thats why we have cheating problems in colleges. Thats why high schools fake scores. Thats why Ive seen parents force a school to give a child a grade. Thats why there is even a problem with affirmative action in the first place.

We view school as a way to separate ourselves instead of a way to grow our consciousness and minds together.

Low key I should have applied to Howard

@xyz77


Everything I say applied to engineering only. I dont give a shyt about graduation rates with history degrees or whatever. In my opinion that is not education.

Why not?

 

[NERO]

Black parents need to send their kids to Kumon. These Asian kids are killing the prep game because of one thing: Study. More study above and beyond what is required will improve performance in the classroom for sure. I wasn't doing shyt in certain sections of the SAT and SAT II then I was put on prep game. Worked on my weaknesses for a couple of months and did well enough not to be an AA case. I won't say what I scored or where I went to school because I prefer to remain anonymous but lets just say I went into college KNOWING I belonged there and that helped me get through the tougher courses. The obvious AA cases all failed out of the major and that was sad to see.

 

[Richard Wright]

Why not?

It's a joke. They write papers. No one will give you less than a c on a paper.


I've seen a kid spend 3 days straight in the computer science building debugging only to get a zero on the project.

 

[hoodheronova]

White women benefit from job AA

theres a bunch of scholarships that are for women only. Its school and job affirmative action

 

[Young]

It's a joke. They write papers. No one will give you less than a c on a paper.


I've seen a kid spend 3 days straight in the computer science building debugging only to get a zero on the project.

Eh, depends on how rigorous the class is. Professors worth anything will rip your shyt to pieces if you try to half ass a paper

But tell me again how years of straight research and analysis to write a thesis paper is a joke. A different type of knowledge and a different type of assessment.