Kendrick Lamar Keeps Progressing...While Drake Isn't

[mobbinfms]

What do you mean by lyrically he hasn't progressed?
Do you determine lyrical progression by double/triple entendres and multisyllables?
If so then you've missed the point of being lyrical.
The point of lyrics are fundamentally to convey a message.
Drake is lyrical in the sense that he can successfully convey messages to his listeners that actually feel genuinely introspective; that's why so many connect with Drake's music.
I don't think there's anyone in hip-hop right now that is as lyrically introspective as Drake.

I feel like he peaked in 2013 as a rapper. ITRYITL and the album with Future was a serious regression. So bad I haven't even listened to Views and his most recent mid album cycle side project.

 

[BocaRear]

People relate to Drake because he talks about surface level shyt. Not because he's a deep individual.

I'm not saying he's garbage, because he's definitely not. But how is 2 Birds, One Stone and Do No Disturb any different than say 30 For 30 or (to take it back further) his verse on Aston Martin Music? There's nothing that's super different or better than the bars he was already spitting.

Why do you think Drake isn't deep?
Because he doesn't talk about politics and pretend to be some sort of scholar?
Tell me how you would personally quantify what is deep?
Drake reflects on his life and reccounts personal experiences, it's pretty honest introspective stuff.

And yeah I guess you could argue that Do Not Disturb and 30 For 30 are similar, but the thing about it is that's Drake's signature style. He always reverts back to something personal at the end of his albums, it's like a motif.

 

[Goodbye World]

his most recent mid album cycle side project.

. Don't bother it's just a rushed project so he can get off YMCM, just like IYRTITL was

 

[revan]

I'm a fan of both but IMO Drake isn't focused on being a great rapper, he doesn't care anymore about being respected as a lyricist. He was showing growth on "IYRTITL" but after the QM/ghostwriters thing he knows pursing a GOAT rap legacy is something he can no longer attain. Kendrick makes great music and he's made his style of real rap mainstream.

During the NO leg of the "Club Paradise Tour", the middle aged white women sitting next to us asked her friends who was the guy on stage opening for Drake, well it was Kenny and I told her that he's actually a pretty big deal. She told me Drake was on a level where he needs to have real opening acts and not guys she'd never heard of. Years later I would assume that a Kendrick Lamar show would have a nigh identical audience as Drake. They both strike cords across similar types of groups but have gone about it in different ways. Kendrick outselling Drake is pretty significant, Drake better come out rapping a lot more on his next project because I don't think the "global" sound he's been on is going to cut it moving forward.

 

[Jahbarri]

Drake is more than a rapper. He's a musician. The way you're framing this is very loaded.
When you use the word progressing, drake is constantly progressing and incorporating different sounds into his music.
This 'playing it safe' and 'stagnation' talk is absolutely ridiculous.
Drake singlehandedly brought Grime to a US audience. Drake implements elements of Afrobeats and Dancehall in his sound.

The culture follows Drake, just look at that new French Montana single.

Kendrick generally plays it safe and feeds the 'muh real hip hop' fans but Drake is always reinventing his sound

the dosent play an instrument, prince was a musician

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

Drake's albums have shifted the culture in ways that Kendrick's have not.

in a negative manner

With regards to KDOT

remember them control freestyles everyone has been reacting to his Albums with

 

[FOUR_ONE_TWO]

Why do you think Drake isn't deep?
Because he doesn't talk about politics and pretend to be some sort of scholar?
Tell me how you would personally quantify what is deep?
Drake reflects on his life and reccounts personal experiences, it's pretty honest introspective stuff.

And yeah I guess you could argue that Do Not Disturb and 30 For 30 are similar, but the thing about it is that's Drake's signature style. He always reverts back to something personal at the end of his albums, it's like a motif.

What is so introspective about Drake, to you?

Him making songs that complain about women? How great being on top is? His paranoia? Tings?

Because that's literally all this man talks about now. Maybe I just grew out of his music, idk. I don't see it man. I'll give him his credit for evolving his sound but that's it.

 

[WickedGames]

Those songs are cool and everything, but how are they any different LYRICALLY than his past songs?

Drake fans love to use that "he makes good overall music" crutch to distract us from the fact that he really hasn't improved since his inception, lyrically that is. He's not better than Cole or Kendrick, and I'll take it a step further and say he's not even better than 2nd tier guys like Sean, Wale, Ross, ect.

Again, this is bar for bar. Not a hitmaking contest.

Cole and Sean. AND Ross.

Proof online niccas just irrationally hate Drake and don't really talk objectively.

"Those tracks are cool and everything" desperate to downplay anything.

Go listen to j Cole talk about folding clothes. Cole and Sean just dropped forgettable projects that didn't have impact at all

 

[WickedGames]

Sounds like you are taking about casual fans here.

As opposed to the arenas of the arenas he's shutting down. Coming out to people like Travis Scott and 21 savage shows and all their fans knowing his new shyt

 

[FOUR_ONE_TWO]

Cole and Sean. AND Ross.

Proof online niccas just irrationally hate Drake and don't really talk objectively.

"Those tracks are cool and everything" desperate to downplay anything.

Go listen to j Cole talk about folding clothes. Cole and Sean just dropped forgettable projects that didn't have impact at all

Drake is not, bar for bar, better than any of those guys. Go ahead and keep clinging to "hits." This is Hip Hop.

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

What do you mean by lyrically he hasn't progressed?
Do you determine lyrical progression by double/triple entendres and multisyllables?
If so then you've missed the point of being lyrical.
The point of lyrics are fundamentally to convey a message.
Drake is lyrical in the sense that he can successfully convey messages to his listeners that actually feel genuinely introspective; that's why so many connect with Drake's music.
I don't think there's anyone in hip-hop right now that is as lyrically introspective as Drake.

he recycles the same topics about clubs and females

 

[WickedGames]

Hip hop listerners or radio listerners? There is a big difference a listerner of a handful of rap albums does not a hip-hop fan make

You guys aren't even making sense. Just keep it simple and say you don't like Drake or his success

Drake will can come out at any Hip Hop artists show and all that artists fans will know Drake stuff (new and old). This has been proven over and over IN REAL LIFE

 

[mobbinfms]

As opposed to the arenas of the arenas he's shutting down. Coming out to people like Travis Scott and 21 savage shows and all their fans knowing his new shyt

What???
I don't understand.

 

[Neuromancer]

You guys aren't even making sense. Just keep it simple and say you don't like Drake or his success

Drake will can come out at any Hip Hop artists show and all that artists fans will know Drake stuff (new and old). This has been proven over and over IN REAL LIFE

Stop trying to create a narrative you want to hear, breh.

 

[WickedGames]

Drake is not, bar for bar, better than any of those guys. Go ahead and keep clinging to "hits." This is Hip Hop.

He's bar for bar better. This is why he's the most quoted, this is why witty shyt on he said on More Life has made talking points and discussions

This is why his features the most valued. This is why he's killed more features prettt much any of them the last few years.