Kendrick: "No matter what his color is, hip hop is hip hop and Eminem is one of the greatest"

[MaNu Minu]

I'm completely objective, infact the most objective person to talk about it. Because I'm real, can't be manipulated or bought and listened to the album completely openly. Infact I listened to the album anticipating it would be dope and was excited. And have played the album numerous times. So there isn't a more objective person to speak about the album. I'm just saying my opinion, I'm not trying to counter balance anything, I'm merely saying my personal opinion and what some others think, Shyne felt similar to me and others. Anyone is entitled to like the album or praise it, it doesn't change my personal opinion on hearing the album and listening to the music. Cause that's all I judged on. Lol. No-one's hating on it, just thought it was subpar and nowhere near classic, was ok... 3 mic album to me, being generous.

I think its at the very least a 4.5 mics. but I won't debate this and I don't even want to talk about it. I have my own opinion and it looks like its also the consensus so



But I'm ok with it, you always have a minority of people who don't agree... its just like me.. to this day I still think illmatic is just a 5/10 album (not even in my top 10 of 1994), but I don't feel the need to repeat myself in every nas thread

 

[The Ruler 09]

I think its at the very least a 4.5 mics. but I won't debate this and I don't even want to talk about it. I have my own opinion and it looks like its also the consensus so



But I'm ok with it, you always have a minority of people who don't agree... its just like me.. to this day I still think illmatic is just a 5/10 album (not even in my top 10 of 1994), but I don't feel the need to repeat myself in every nas thread

I don't mind you at having your own opinion though, I'm not jumping on you cause you have your opinion, it's all good. Consensus opinions mean nothing to me, as the majority are mindless sheep who like what they are told to like anyway.

Course, very few people are real or true to Hip Hop, so if that's the case I'm happy to be in that bracket. The truth is the truth even in a minority of 1 - Gandhi I think said that. But in this case as it's artistic it's an opinion rather than just point blank the truth, but I am the truth though so it's coming from a very genuine source, and a very knowledgeable 1 as I have an intimate expertise and understanding of Hip Hop and lyricism. Also am able to see things completely objectively without letting any manipulation get in the way.

Ok that's cool, I don't mind you having that opinion, I think Illmatic is a great album but don't think it's THE greatest. I don't repeat it in every Kendrick thread though, even if I did so what, people should say how they truly feel.

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

Oh ok, well if you equating it to that then no, I listen to Lil Wayne sometimes, like some of his shyt. Even liked some of Rick Ross' shyt, Jay Z, 50 Cent, Ja Rule, lots of people so no.

It's not detrimental to like real Hip Hop, instead of music that is pushed down your throats. There is nothing wrong with being authentic or real, although seem to get hate for that nowadays.

Well, I don't give him props for that either because he was given the opportunity to. If the other artists you mentioned had got the same push they may have as well. Ready To Die was kind of a concept album, which is much better to me, I felt like Illmatic was somewhat of a concept album too, always vied it as that. The State vs Kirk Jones was pretty good too.

by that logic most mainstream rappers COULD make the concept since they had the opportunity but they didn't..opted to make that disposable microwave music instead

so now someone goes against the grain and it's all like "well i'm not impressed"



those people you mentioned are not any more hip hop than kendrick...50 was pushed by the SAME machine Kendrick is now..so you'd have to say 50 is not hip hop enough either or you're a hypocrite

just because there's a machine pushing it doesnt mean it's automatically not hip hop enough

 

[The Ruler 09]

by that logic most mainstream rappers COULD make the concept since they had the opportunity but they didn't..opted to make that disposable microwave music instead

so now someone goes against the grain and it's all like "well i'm not impressed"



those people you mentioned are not any more hip hop than kendrick...50 was pushed by the SAME machine Kendrick is now..so you'd have to say 50 is not hip hop enough either or you're a hypocrite

just because there's a machine pushing it doesnt mean it's automatically not hip hop enough

Mm, I'm not sure how that's relevant. To me that album is disposable, never have the desire to hear it again, but did many times merely for research purposes. Compton was a pretty good song though, but probably mainly cause of Dre. It's ok to go against the grain, most great or legendary people have gone against the grain, including people religions are based upon. It's just about being genuine, I think it's far worse to conform and not say your opinion because it goes against the grain rather than speaking it. Again I reiterate I'm not saying anyone should dislike Kendrick, I'm only saying MY opinion. 50 Cent seems to have some Hip Hop in him, he made some good mixtapes and started off with a banger of a first album. I don't really like 50's shyt after Get Rich Or Die Trying, 50 Cent could do a lot more for Hip Hop and for the world, but I have seen 50 do some things, he supported the Self Construction movement and even in his music you can hear traces. My favourite rapper used to sing ch ch check out my melody, even who 50 said is in his top 5 last I saw was better than Kendrick's, KRS-One, Rakim, Nas and forget who else was in it. Anyway digressing cause this isn't the point. I only said those things to prove that me dissing anyone mainstream is a lie, I am critical of 50 too and he has some trash shyt, but that's the point, when he dropped good shyt I gave props, wack shyt I said it, so it's an authentic genuine objective opinion. I didn't say that, that's twisting what I was saying, 50 at times hasn't been Hip Hop enough for my taste, he's made some trash. Nas is a good example of an artist who's had a good Hip Hop essence and is still a big artist, Nas is better then both of them, Nas actually challenges the status quo content wise. At least in parts, he's not perfect either but he makes some authentic great music, would Kendrick do a Distant Relatives type project on his label? I'm not sure. Even certain songs Nas has made or lyrics he's said not convinced Kendrick would say or be allowed to say, the music sounds diluted to me. It also in part a feeling, so I'm not trying to push my feelings on others, you may feel different and you are more than entitled to do so, but my feelings are heartfelt and I'm not going to lie about them no matter what. I haven't even ruled Kendrick out, I may still become a fan 1 day, but at the moment I'm not sold at all, personally, if others are that is fine, but not me yet, he he drops some shyt i deem great will give props.

 

[MaNu Minu]

I can tell kendrick's music flew over this nikka head. but thats ok
The funny thing is that this guy enjoyed the consensus worst song on the album, or possibly the consensus worst song in Kendrick's discography (btw, dre verses were written by kendrick )

its like saying "I don't like eminem, but I did enjoy love the way you lie" or "I don't like jay-z but I did enjoy magna carta holy grail"

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

I can tell kendrick's music flew over this nikka head. but thats ok
The funny thing is that this guy enjoyed the consensus worst song on the album, or possibly the consensus worst song in Kendrick's discography (btw, dre verses were written by kendrick )

its like saying "I don't like eminem, but I did enjoy love the way you lie" or "I don't like jay-z but I did enjoy magna carta holy grail"

compton is not the worst song on the album lol



i thought so at first but once someone told me "think of it like an ending credits of the movie song" my perspective changed

 

[MaNu Minu]

compton is not the worst song on the album lol



i thought so at first but once someone told me "think of it like an ending credits of the movie song" my perspective changed

I didn't say it was a bad song, its definitely a dope song but the majority of people admit its the weakest on the album

 

[krulesweatshirt]

yeah Compton is good but the 11 other tracks are way, way better than this track

That's one of the reasons the album was hailed as an instant classic, the worst song on this record was "good"


Good kid, real, sing about me, art of the peer pressure... oh lawd

 

[The Ruler 09]

I can tell kendrick's music flew over this nikka head. but thats ok
The funny thing is that this guy enjoyed the consensus worst song on the album, or possibly the consensus worst song in Kendrick's discography (btw, dre verses were written by kendrick )

its like saying "I don't like eminem, but I did enjoy love the way you lie" or "I don't like jay-z but I did enjoy magna carta holy grail"

His music didn't fly over my head AT ALL, I listen to artists much more complex than Kendrick so that's illogical. Infact I understand it so well that's why I realize what it really is, while many others get impressed with shyt that ain't really impressive. I don't care about consensus lol, so all this consensus bullshyt means nothing to me lol. Damn, the sheep mentality really is running rampant lol, mentioning consensus SO many times lol. The machine certainly doing their brainwashing job very effectively lol. Dr Dre sounds better than Kendrick, it doesn't upset me that Kendrick wrote the verses, if he did he did a decent job with that, good song. At the end of the day Chronic and 2001 sound better than Kendrick's album, Dre has better production (back then), better features, better voice, those albums are vastly better than GKMC to me.

 

[krulesweatshirt]

This nikka the ruler 09 is something else. of course you can't be impressed by something if you didn't get it
But the fact that a hipster like Ruler 09 enjoys what would be considered as the worst track on the entire album speaks volume on the quality of the record

by the way, 2001 is one of the worst albums I have heard, only the singles were good.

 

[MaNu Minu]

We ain't even talking about the same thing. I said mainstream/major artists. Kendrick didn't receive any more/less of a push than anyone else that's been "that guy" in the history of hip-hop.

People don't call him Koondrick....people on the internet call him Koondrick. People on the internet also been parroting "Nas Lost" for the better part of 15 years and talk about Jay-Z, who is worth close to half a bill and married to Beyonce, is a camel. Basically you can't take what you see on the internet and say "this is how people feel". People, for the most part, are on some bullshyt on the internet, because they can be.

As far as the rest of your post....that's your opinion but honestly your line of reasoning makes zero sense to me. Again, he dropped a concept album....songs about loss, struggling to fit in, people around him dying, verses about police brutality and peer pressure concerning drugs and gangs....and you're like "nah son, it's not edgy or hip-hop". shyt is as hell. In the mainstream that was arguably the most hip-hop album that came out that year....in terms of composition, content and actually having a message.

Fred.

this man gave The Ruler 09 another L


His sheep mentality really is running rampant lol, he's always on some anti mainstream bullshyt. The only reason he likes tupac is because THIS generation think pac is the most overrated rapper ever. its like this guy is going against the grain for the sake of it, because he wants to feel "special".

its ok to be different and have your own opinion, but your opinion doesn't matter when your line of reasoning makes zero sense.

 

[The Ruler 09]

This nikka the ruler 09 is something else. of course you can't be impressed by something if you didn't get it
But the fact that a hipster like Ruler 09 enjoys what would be considered as the worst track on the entire album speaks volume on the quality of the record

by the way, 2001 is one of the worst albums I have heard, only the singles were good.

I did get it though. This is just what you try to say cause your upset and trying to justify yourself. Hipster? Lmao. That does not make ONE bit of sense lol. And ok, but since your so caught up in consensus most people liked that album, also VASTLY more people fukked with that album than GKMC.

 

[krulesweatshirt]

I didn't say that. there's a huge difference between what you "enjoy" and what you think is "good".

I liked chronic 2001, but the album is still not great.
I don't like reasonable doubt, but I can acknowledge it as a great album.
I like tupac a lot, but his best album is a 3.5/5 to me
I hate Wu Tang music, but if I analyze their first album with an objective eye, that shyt is 5/5 to me

 

[The Ruler 09]

this man gave The Ruler 09 another L


His sheep mentality really is running rampant lol, he's always on some anti mainstream bullshyt. The only reason he likes tupac is because THIS generation think pac is the most overrated rapper ever. its like this guy is going against the grain for the sake of it, because he wants to feel "special"

This is the typical sheep mentality right here, just look at the thread. A person says an opinion you don't agree with and the sheep rush forth in numbers to attack lmao. It's hilarious, then try to project your own actions on to me, impossible and it won't change my opinion. If you like the album why you so bothered about what I think? EVERYONE HAS to like the album now? It's an obligation?. Already disproved your lies. In regards to Pac I've liked Pac's music since a child, posted on Ill Community about him a decade ago, more nonsense and lies to try detract from the substance of what I said. Explain why I like Jay Z then? Lol.

 

[The Ruler 09]