Kendrick: "No matter what his color is, hip hop is hip hop and Eminem is one of the greatest"

[DeuceCypherUno]

It does make sense. Your missing the point, probably because you want to miss it lol. If you like Kendrick cool, but I'm entitled to my opinion and view too. What I said is how I feel and how some others feel too.

you make your point kind of confusing to follow and somewhat vague

like you address the fact that he was promoted heavily and his interviews more than the actual music

then you say he's not hip hop enough, which is akin to "real hip hop purist" ideas.

like it's cool you don't like the music, find it boring or uninteresting, etc. if it dont connect it dont connect, i understand

but safe is the last word most people would think of for an album like GKMC

i give him props for putting storytelling in a modern, mainstream light..it's an underrated skill that some of the GOATS have but is underrepresented in mainstream rap.

making half of the songs longer than 5 minutes while still keeping the attention of these ADHD fans is also lowkey an accomplishment too


but on the quality of the music, we can agree to disagree

 

[SunZoo]

you make your point kind of confusing to follow and somewhat vague

like you address the fact that he was promoted heavily and his interviews more than the actual music

then you say he's not hip hop enough, which is akin to "real hip hop purist" ideas.

like it's cool you don't like the music, find it boring or uninteresting, etc. if it dont connect it dont connect, i understand

but safe is the last word most people would think of for an album like GKMC

i give him props for putting storytelling in a modern, mainstream light..it's an underrated skill that some of the GOATS have but is underrepresented in mainstream rap.

making half of the songs longer than 5 minutes while still keeping the attention of these ADHD fans is also lowkey an accomplishment too


but on the quality of the music, we can agree to disagree

I fux with Ruler but he is obviously someone that people would classify as a "purist" that seemingly rails against anything mainstream. He's a K-rino stan....

Kendrick > K-rino, and I think dude is just a tad bit over hyped as far as GKMC being such a great album, I just don't think much else has dropped to compete with it, rap is like heavyweight boxing now.

 

[BlackFruitPunch]

I wonder if I could racially insult white women then become the biggest country music star in the world. nikkas lost

 

[The Ruler 09]

you make your point kind of confusing to follow and somewhat vague

like you address the fact that he was promoted heavily and his interviews more than the actual music

then you say he's not hip hop enough, which is akin to "real hip hop purist" ideas.

like it's cool you don't like the music, find it boring or uninteresting, etc. if it dont connect it dont connect, i understand

but safe is the last word most people would think of for an album like GKMC

i give him props for putting storytelling in a modern, mainstream light..it's an underrated skill that some of the GOATS have but is underrepresented in mainstream rap.

making half of the songs longer than 5 minutes while still keeping the attention of these ADHD fans is also lowkey an accomplishment too


but on the quality of the music, we can agree to disagree

It's a complicated point with nuance, not just straight forward. I agree he isn't Hip Hop enough, I'm not sure what you mean by Hip Hop purist ideas?.

It was safe compared to the artists I listen to, content wise, if you compare Kendrick to a KRS-One or K-Rino the content difference is absolutely vast. We could go ahead and do that if you like and you may see what I mean.

To me the fact he did somewhat of a concept in itself isn't impressive. I've heard better concept albums. I guess it's commendable but that in itself doesn't really add up to much to me. Even to a 2 Pac content wise. And people/media/machine hyped it so heavily that that's a reasonable comparison, I was excited to hear the album after what I'd heard and it was a big let down. Length of songs isn't innovative or incredible to me either. People have done 12 min songs before or longer.

I think the difference may be that I am judging him on high standards. But after the hype that's what I expected.

 

[The Ruler 09]

I fux with Ruler but he is obviously someone that people would classify as a "purist" that seemingly rails against anything mainstream. He's a K-rino stan....

Kendrick > K-rino, and I think dude is just a tad bit over hyped as far as GKMC being such a great album, I just don't think much else has dropped to compete with it, rap is like heavyweight boxing now.

That's not true though, 2 Pac was mainstream and is my GOAT, Nas a big artist and in top 5, as is Jay Z. So this is incorrect, K-Rino is a significantly better artist than Kendrick, you can't really put them in the same bracket objectively, K-Rino makes Kendrick sound like a child comparatively.

 

[sporticus]

Eminem is the first successful white rapper (unless you count the Beastie Boys) to be accepted by black people at first, and then to have completely alientated his entire black fanbase.

Yet he survives and thrives making music that a black artist would've found himself signed to Def Jux making.

It's unprecedented because NO ONE will speak ill of him. Jay-Z is the arguably the king of hip-hop multimedia, and rappers will diss him or slight him. Not Em. Not ever.

 

[MaNu Minu]

I fux with Ruler but he is obviously someone that people would classify as a "purist" that seemingly rails against anything mainstream. He's a K-rino stan....

Kendrick > K-rino, and I think dude is just a tad bit over hyped as far as GKMC being such a great album, I just don't think much else has dropped to compete with it, rap is like heavyweight boxing now.

thats true... but then again k-rino sounds like a very bad hip hop artist next to kdot


ruler will say its not true but he can't think logically because krino is his favorite mcee

 

[SunZoo]

That's not true though, 2 Pac was mainstream and is my GOAT, Nas a big artist and in top 5, as is Jay Z. So this is incorrect, K-Rino is a significantly better artist than Kendrick, you can't really put them in the same bracket objectively, K-Rino makes Kendrick sound like a child comparatively.

Em > K-rino too

Don't be mad bro.

I wonder if I could racially insult white women then become the biggest country music star in the world. nikkas lost

I'm sure hootie done dogged out a couple white broads....

Besides Em's sales peaked before the tapes.

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

It's a complicated point with nuance, not just straight forward. I agree he isn't Hip Hop enough, I'm not sure what you mean by Hip Hop purist ideas?.

"he's not hip hop enough"

" i listen to that real hip hop. not that fake lil wayne/[insert mainstream artist here] shyt"


all come from the same train of thought. a purist way of thinking. it's detrimental


i didnt say he was the first to make 12 minute songs and concept albums, just that he was one of the rare ones to push that in mainstream rap to some success

all the excellent classic concept albums like A Long Hot Summer, A Prince of Thieves and Disposable Arts were largely ignored which is a shame.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Em > K-rino too

Don't be mad bro.




I'm sure hootie done dogged out a couple white broads....

Besides Em's sales peaked before the tapes.

I'm not mad lol, you're entitled to your opinion, just I strongly disagree lol.

 

[MaNu Minu]

I like ruler but in this discussion its pretty clear that he is not objective enough to talk about it.
hes trying hard to counter balance the praise gkmc is getting. Won't change shyt though, its like saying illmatic sucks when its considered as one of the best albums of the 90s. GKMC is that for the 2010s. You can hate on it but its legacy is already there for this generation

 

[The Ruler 09]

"he's not hip hop enough"

" i listen to that real hip hop. not that fake lil wayne/[insert mainstream artist here] shyt"


all come from the same train of thought. a purist way of thinking. it's detrimental


i didnt say he was the first to make 12 minute songs and concept albums, just that he was one of the rare ones to push that in mainstream rap to some success

all the excellent classic concept albums like A Long Hot Summer, A Prince of Thieves and Disposable Arts were largely ignored which is a shame.

Oh ok, well if you equating it to that then no, I listen to Lil Wayne sometimes, like some of his shyt. Even liked some of Rick Ross' shyt, Jay Z, 50 Cent, Ja Rule, lots of people so no.

It's not detrimental to like real Hip Hop, instead of music that is pushed down your throats. There is nothing wrong with being authentic or real, although seem to get hate for that nowadays.

Well, I don't give him props for that either because he was given the opportunity to. If the other artists you mentioned had got the same push they may have as well. Ready To Die was kind of a concept album, which is much better to me, I felt like Illmatic was somewhat of a concept album too, always vied it as that. The State vs Kirk Jones was pretty good too.

 

[SunZoo]

Eminem is the first successful white rapper (unless you count the Beastie Boys) to be accepted by black people at first, to have completely alientated his entire black fanbase.

Yet he survives and thrives making music that a black artist would've found himself signed to Def Jux making.

It's unprecedented because NO ONE will speak ill of him. Jay-Z is the arguably the king of hip-hop multimedia, and rappers will diss him or slight him. Not Em. Not ever.

Nobody disses Nas either for the most part, as far as mainstream figureheads go it's really those 3 that are looked to as veterans and icons. What's the difference though? Why is Jay the odd one out?

Because he's the only one of of the 3 that can and will move into your lane and block your shine. Em sells but he's not in anybodies way unless they are white rappers trying to reach a bar that has been set too high. Nas isn't doing great numbers but he has the prestige to have his own lane to run in. Jay is the nikka that's still in the mix with everybody else and won't hesitate to steal flows, piggy back off of up and comers, brag about his status as a headliner and as a rhymer...he sticks his neck out far more than the other two.

 

[The Ruler 09]

I like ruler but in this discussion its pretty clear that he is not objective enough to talk about it.
hes trying hard to counter balance the praise gkmc is getting. Won't change shyt though, its like saying illmatic sucks when its considered as one of the best albums of the 90s. GKMC is that for the 2010s. You can hate on it but its legacy is already there for this generation

I'm completely objective, infact the most objective person to talk about it. Because I'm real, can't be manipulated or bought and listened to the album completely openly. Infact I listened to the album anticipating it would be dope and was excited. And have played the album numerous times. So there isn't a more objective person to speak about the album. I'm just saying my opinion, I'm not trying to counter balance anything, I'm merely saying my personal opinion and what some others think, Shyne felt similar to me and others. Anyone is entitled to like the album or praise it, it doesn't change my personal opinion on hearing the album and listening to the music. Cause that's all I judged on. Lol. No-one's hating on it, just thought it was subpar and nowhere near classic, was ok... 3 mic album to me, being generous.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Nobody disses Nas either for the most part, as far as mainstream figureheads go it's really those 3 that are looked to as veterans and icons. What's the difference though? Why is Jay the odd one out?

Because he's the only one of of the 3 that can and will move into your lane and block your shine. Em sells but he's not in anybodies way unless they are white rappers trying to reach a bar that has been set too high. Nas isn't doing great numbers but he has the prestige to have his own lane to run in. Jay is the nikka that's still in the mix with everybody else and won't hesitate to steal flows, piggy back off of up and comers, brag about his status as a headliner and as a rhymer...he sticks his neck out far more than the other two.

Didn't Jay Z and 50 Cent diss Nas?