Kenyon Martin takes Draymond to the glue factory and list 50 PFs better than him all time.

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Draymond went 9-3 in the playoffs without Steph between 2016 and 2019.

Dray and Klay basically willed the Warriors to the WCF in 2016 when Steph was recovering from his MCL injury.




this is objectively dishonest

1. "between 2016 and 2019"? Breh, just say 2016. Bc in 2017, 2018, and 2019, Steph was very much apart of things

2. Dray and Klay didn't "will anything. It was against the fukking blazers, who only got to the 2nd round because Chris Paul and Blake Griffin got injured. They were down 2-0 before those two got hurt. Then they won 4 straight.

3. The Warriors were losing steam against the blazers, that's why steph came back (too soon from an MCL injury) and set the all-time record for most points in an OT game.

your 2016 revisionist talking point makes no sense to people who actually watched the games. Steph played in every series that finals run.
 

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Rodman has a tangible stat that stands out historically. Rebounds. He would have been a HOFer without them/if he never moved around after Detroit. When you average 17 boards a game (19 w/ SA, you left them out), and no one else of your generation does, you are going to be a HOFer regardless. Rodman is far more like a Jason Kidd, or Mutombo, than a Draymond green

Unlike them, Draymond mostly had no tangibles just getting group project credit for intangibles and vibes

Wow I can't stand yall 90s basketball nikkas. Rebounding really. That alone would get Ridnan in the HOF without playing on the bad boy Pistons or 3 peat bulls lol.

Draymond is the catalyst for new era position less basketball. He could guard 1 through 5. His passing and bball IQ was amazing.

Probably would have been finals MVP if they won game 7 in 2016. He had a 30 point triple double.

So Big 10 player of the year
4x NBA champ
Defensive player of the year
Olympic Gold Medal
4x All star

That ain't HOF. Not to mention all the big clutch plays he's made in big playoff moments.

The hate for this man is ridiculous. If y'all gonna suck up Rodman Oakley Mason and these other 90s tough intangible great teammate guys then how can y'all not appreciate Draymond?
 

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Wow I can't stand yall 90s basketball nikkas. Rebounding really. That alone would get Ridnan in the HOF without playing on the bad boy Pistons or 3 peat bulls lol.

Draymond is the catalyst for new era position less basketball. He could guard 1 through 5. His passing and bball IQ was amazing.

Probably would have been finals MVP if they won game 7 in 2016. He had a 30 point triple double.

So Big 10 player of the year
4x NBA champ
Defensive player of the year
Olympic Gold Medal
4x All star

That ain't HOF. Not to mention all the big clutch plays he's made in big playoff moments.

The hate for this man is ridiculous. If y'all gonna suck up Rodman Oakley Mason and these other 90s tough intangible great teammate guys then how can y'all not appreciate Draymond?
Shawn Marion was guarding like that before Draymond. Maybe not at the level Draymond was but Draymond ain't the catalyst. KG was doing it as well.
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Kenyon Martin was always a liability. He was a guy who theoretically was supposed to be a factor in you winning something of significance but you knew he wasn’t going to be able to put it together. That’s much worse than a “glue” type of player.

Draymond knows his role and does it well. That’s who I want on my team. He was a key piece on all those title teams, period. If you were a KEY contributor to title teams you deserve the accolades. Much better than K-Mart putting up 15 points and not winning shyt.
 

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Wow I can't stand yall 90s basketball nikkas. Rebounding really. That alone would get Ridnan in the HOF without playing on the bad boy Pistons or 3 peat bulls lol.

Draymond is the catalyst for new era position less basketball. He could guard 1 through 5. His passing and bball IQ was amazing.

Probably would have been finals MVP if they won game 7 in 2016. He had a 30 point triple double.

So Big 10 player of the year
4x NBA champ
Defensive player of the year
Olympic Gold Medal
4x All star

That ain't HOF. Not to mention all the big clutch plays he's made in big playoff moments.

The hate for this man is ridiculous. If y'all gonna suck up Rodman Oakley Mason and these other 90s tough intangible great teammate guys then how can y'all not appreciate Draymond?

I’ll help you. Everything in bold is fluff. Emotion. We not asking ‘was he important’, we talking about how good he was separate from things he wasn’t directly responsible for. So mentioning his rings and Olympic medals dont mean shyt. Nor does his college accolades. Mans said big 10 player of the year. What you shawn Respert now

And yea actually Oakley or anthony mason are perfect examples of how Draymond WOULD be viewed if not for Steph. A niche player who was part of solid teams and provided some intangibles. A Dale Davis ass ngga. Kendrick Perkins. Those players are remembered fondly, for what they were. But none of those players are HOFers and would NEVER be discussed as core go to players and def not talk like it. Yet here we are with Draymond and his fans who don’t know ball
 

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Kenyon Martin was always a liability. He was a guy who theoretically was supposed to be a factor in you winning something of significance but you knew he wasn’t going to be able to put it together. That’s much worse than a “glue” type of player.

Draymond knows his role and does it well. That’s who I want on my team. He was a key piece on all those title teams, period. If you were a KEY contributor to title teams you deserve the accolades. Much better than K-Mart putting up 15 points and not winning shyt.
I like Kenyon waaaay better than Draymond, but, Draymond is more valuable to his team and he’s a better all around player. We don’t know what he’ll do without Curry and Klay, and to guess is the unfair. Can only go on what we saw. He’s still a horse face degenerate who I believe IS a fake bully. Kenyon is correct about that, which is what he should’ve just stuck with.
 

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Kenyon Martin was always a liability. He was a guy who theoretically was supposed to be a factor in you winning something of significance but you knew he wasn’t going to be able to put it together. That’s much worse than a “glue” type of player.

Draymond knows his role and does it well. That’s who I want on my team. He was a key piece on all those title teams, period. If you were a KEY contributor to title teams you deserve the accolades. Much better than K-Mart putting up 15 points and not winning shyt.
All that really needs to be said at this point.
 
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