Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[True Blue Moon]

If we really being real
A lot of men are not getting laid out here
No matter how much game they learn
How many videos they watch for encouragement
Taking classes on approaching/PUA
From socially awkward to Fortune 500 Company CEOs
It’s men out here that will never enjoy a real connection with a woman
Or even the thrill of getting a number, courting, etc
I see no problem in paying for it
Been there, Done that
From paying strippers in private rooms
To going to them “massage parlors”
People tend to forget how hard it was
Once you start winning/gaining experience with women
Self esteem/confidence doesn’t come easy for some folks
Especially men and if they are not
Handsome gang
Trust fund baby
Prostitution been around since forever
But we out here shaming men for getting a service that’s hard for some naturally
And women who provide a service in a discreet package (I’m not talking about bytches selling p*ssy on IG/Twitter. Those hoes are hustlers/gypsys/scammers)
Then we wonder why some of these men out here shooting shyt up with no remorse
Granted, the same could be said why some men out here shooting shyt up because they got hurt too late in the game as well
Or taken advantage of
Or just plain 5150
To Kevin’s point/crux of his argument
Some men just don’t have the luxury and skill to deal with women
So why not just pay for a service
Instead of trying to game a chick
Pay for a date
Then get her home and a possible chance of a 50/50 split on her having
Great sex skills
Trash p*ssy
Why not pay for a high end escort that has a great reputation by word of mouth
She knows how to break you off
You get your pleasure
She gets her paper
And carry yo ass home
But he is conflating “It ain’t tricking”
With straight out prostitution
Tricking refers more to spending on a woman lavishly without seeking anything from her
Flexing with dollars
Vs
Just buying p*ssy out right without effort or headaches

Word. We are at a point in time where dudes are wizard masters with information that they’re not applying. Dudes get so high off binge watching PUA shyt that they forget to go get ass, and still validate themselves as if they did.

I think prostitution would make a lot of money, which we need, and cool the heads of a lot of would be weirdos and violent offenders.

As far as the bolded, actually, the real definition of tricking started out meaning a dude paying for a prostitute. That’s why prostitutes call it turning tricks. The slang term how it’s used now with dudes buying presents and shyt just went mainstream kind of like how hoe used to only actually mean prostitute too.

 

[Red11]

It ain't trickin' if she's worth it, and her worth is not based on her looks. it's based on how she treats you. So If I have a bad bytch, and she's treating me right, giving me p*ssy without me having to directly pay for it, then I'll do nice things for her at my discretion.

The argument of “don’t use it’s not legal” argument is so flawed. Most people do not do illegal activities

besides Nevada I’m pretty sure it’s not legal in the US. No one is trying to catch a charge and be in the newspaper for hiring a hooker/escort. Especially when a lot of that stuff is “if you know you know” business.

We do not live in Latin America nor Netherlands. If the information to do it safely here without beingarrested/set up was better; or if the process was more cut and dry, I and many others would have less push back.

(let me state I have never paid)​

Good Lord...

Y'all are thinking STREET WALKERS. We are talking about the IG models. Do you think they are going to Dubai and Bali selling flat tummy tea and shytty makeup???

Like I said in the other thread: "Booking info? Booking, FOR WHAT?!!"​

 

[Easy-E]

I figure it's cause he's already looking at them on camera. He already has an opinion and he's holding himself back, then they start talking BS and it's too much.

he was about to go in on 30k a year breh who was "GO THERE THEN"

 

[Leao2005]

Good Lord...

Y'all are thinking STREET WALKERS. We are talking about the IG models. Do you think they are going to Dubai and Bali selling flat tummy tea and shytty makeup???

Like I said in the other thread: "Booking info? Booking, FOR WHAT?!!"​

Do you think the average person knows this

 

[Balla]

It’s quite normal in other parts of the world to pay for sex. It’s whatever towards me.
If you’re on vacation and want to drop some cash to get laid for that night why is that an issue?

Doing that on vacation isn’t bad, plus it’s cheap. Doing it in general is understandable, but people make it sound like the end all be all. Like you’re going to be super successful because you pay for p*ssy instead of socializing and trying to get a chick that likes you.

Are men just gonna pay every time they want some? How many times a week are they paying?

It sounds better to just have a girlfriend instead and spend less money. Give her $300 a week instead of paying $300 an hour lol.

Men wanna brag about body counts one minute then the next minute want to brag about paying.

This isn’t directed towards you, just in general.

 

[Red11]

Do you think the average person knows this

Conspicuous consumption is the IRS/FBI definition.

 

[Red11]

Doing that on vacation isn’t bad, plus it’s cheap. Doing it in general is understandable, but people make it sound like the end all be all. Like you’re going to be super successful because you pay for p*ssy instead of socializing and trying to get a chick that likes you.

Are men just gonna pay every time they want some? How many times a week are they paying?

It sounds better to just have a girlfriend instead and spend less money. Give her $300 a week instead of paying $300 an hour lol.

Men wanna brag about body counts one minute then the next minute want to brag about paying.

This isn’t directed towards you, just in general.

Dudes really don't count the cost of their "boo". Gifts, endless conversations, dates etc. That shyt is WAY more expensive. If she is cool and wants to spend a weekend, I'll do it. This is what Seeking Arrangements is for. It really is cheaper and easier. These women ain't pros, I just pay per meet.

Bro she's not yours its just your turn.

I don't have time to learn your favorite color, who the chick is at work who pisses you off, I don't want to see you on valentines day, I don't want to meet your parents, I don't want you to come over unexpected, I don't want you to distract me from the bag.

I love variety as well. You get the wrong one and she is dumping gasoline in your car.

 

[Balla]

How often are you paying though? Are you paying for every chick you’re sleeping with?

You don’t have to buy expensive gifts, dinners, endless conversations, etc. for regular chicks.

See them for a night or two a week and that’s it.

You don’t have to meet every chick that you fukk parents.

All chicks got something with them mentally.

I get the idea of paying and being stress free, but I don’t see that as something someone would want to do long term, especially if you’re not that old.

 

[Red11]

How often are you paying though? Are you paying for every chick you’re sleeping with?

You don’t have to buy expensive gifts, dinners, endless conversations, etc. for regular chicks.

See them for a night or two a week and that’s it.

You don’t have to meet every chick that you fukk parents.

All chicks got something with them mentally.

I get the idea of paying and being stress free, but I don’t see that as something someone would want to do long term, especially if you’re not that old.

Ahhhh....thats where Kevin was coming from. These are 8's, 9's, 10's.

These chicks gonna want some conversation in between those dates. Thats value in time if you are making $200 an hour. Good morning texts and texting/facetiming/calling in between. I hate it. I just want the draws and you GO HOME! I'm scratching an itch and getting back to the grind. That regret of what I could have built in my 20's, I DON'T HAVE. I have assets and my time was better spent figuring out another income source, shyt, or even working out. If you chase the bag the women will come!

You CAN DO BOTH.

I understand you, but some here are romanticizing SEX.

 

[Balla]

Ahhhh....thats where Kevin was coming from. These are 8's, 9's, 10's.

These chicks gonna want some conversation in between those dates. Thats value in time if you are making $200 an hour. Good morning texts and texting/facetiming/calling in between. I hate it. I just want the draws and you GO HOME! I'm scratching an itch and getting back to the grind. That regret of what I could have built in my 20's, I DON'T HAVE. I have assets and my time was better spent figuring out another income source, shyt, or even working out. If you chase the bag the women will come!

You CAN DO BOTH.

I understand you, but some here are romanticizing SEX.

But you’re not supposed to spend all of your time tryna fukk women either. It’s all a balance. Plus there isn’t a substantial benefit for paying for p*ssy when a person doesn’t have a business or something. Some pay for it because they have to and they work regular ass jobs.

No one is going to work 24/7 and stay in the house all day, gotta go out and live.

I get it 100% though, dating sucks, conversations that go no where suck, it all sucks.

So I get why someone would want to pay to scratch that itch, but all the time I can’t comprehend.

Doing both is cool, but not a lot of people want to be on the clock when they with a chick.

Even if they are dimes how can one feel good knowing that they had to pay to even get a chance with her?

I’m not against people spending money to get some, the dating game is shyt. I also am not against learning game and getting p*ssy organically. I think the latter is better in the long-run though.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Tis' true, alot of guys are in a bad spot. My only gripe is with him saying "Only broke men have a problem with paying for sex." I never had to pay for sex a day in my life, and I don't plan on it because it's a free commodity for me. Plus, I make great money, so he kinda lost me with that lol Maybe it's just my perspective

Spoiler: Rom Explains it Better

Generational my boy
Young cats don’t understand what life was like for us 40 and up brehs
That’s why he wasn’t talking to older dudes because we done seen how hard it was to go from not getting p*ssy to way too many options/avenues for p*ssy
A lot of older nikkas lie to the younger generation
You was paying for p*ssy unless
You were handsome gang/extraordinary mouth piece/wealthy family
It was hard for some of us in these streets and a lot were doing trial and error
Plus it was cheaper then
Go to the strip club and if you didn’t give off a “creepy vibe”
Strippers would take you to a champagne room
Tell her rates
Smash her out
And be on your way
Massage parlors were a flat rate of $130
But them folks started cracking down on that shyt
Say all that to say
Times are so different now and a lot of people are cappin about never paying for strange
Even my uncle was paying in Vietnam/Philippines
Those are some wild stories
Some of the best sex I had was in Amsterdam in 06 on the strip
Even hung out once she got off her shift at the brothel
And banged out with no charge as well
That was a great trip

Word. We are at a point in time where dudes are wizard masters with information that they’re not applying. Dudes get so high off binge watching PUA shyt that they forget to go get ass, and still validate themselves as if they did.

I think prostitution would make a lot of money, which we need, and cool the heads of a lot of would be weirdos and violent offenders.

As far as the bolded, actually, the real definition of tricking started out meaning a dude paying for a prostitute. That’s why prostitutes call it turning tricks. The slang term how it’s used now with dudes buying presents and shyt just went mainstream kind of like how hoe used to only actually mean prostitute too.

Yeah I should have been more clear
The term changed once Wayne said that shyt(others said it before him
But it really seem to stick once he said it)
So I was dealing in the more “here and now” definition
Vs
Goldie “The Mack” definition era
So to me he was double talking to some extent
Being old enough to know origin/etymology of the phrase
Young enough to see the colloquial shift of the phrase
He was dancing in the rain and shifting his argument a bit
That’s why he really wasn’t trying to hear from old cats because we know what it is but have failed to teach the younger generation
So now we have a paradox
And that’s one of the reasons Onlyfan hoes were eating so good off the misinformed/lonely
For all the scrutiny(some rightfully so) Backpage received
It’s a service that is missed
I just feel it’s a middle ground to this
The US claims to be a “liberal ” nation
But ideals and practices are very conservative and align with some of the rigid ideals of the stricter nations
Especially when it comes to sex

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yeah im skipping this episode, 98% of men arent even qualified for the discussion so i already the calls are going to be idiotic. Whats understood doesnt need to be explained to outsiders/unqualified people

 

[Mtt]

Watch this reel by kenstarrrz on Instagram

 

[saturn7]

Yo, WTF is this?

about to get flewed out by Zad.

 

[Mike Nasty]

Yeah im skipping this episode, 98% of men arent even qualified for the discussion so i already the calls are going to be idiotic. Whats understood doesnt need to be explained to outsiders/unqualified people

It was an entertaining episode at least, but at the end I was surprised none of the male callers could come up with a better response than "men need to work on game". Like c'mon y'all had an over an hour to come up with a rebuttal.